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Watson or Mahomes? Who is more exciting?

Discussion in 'Texans Talk' started by Texecutioner, Sep 11, 2019.

  1. Mollywhopper

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    Do you have a source for this?
     
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    Who cares about who's better just sit back and enjoy being a fan during their careers. It appears their both going to be special. As Luck retires and Rodgers start to fade away and Father Time finally catches up with Brady and Breez, and it will, we could be looking at two of the next generation of great QBs. And one of them is ours! As a lifelong houstonian I’ve never had the incredible luck to say that. I may be premature with all this but it’s sure looking that is the case more and more. I actually was begging for us to trade up and draft Mahomes. Wasn’t super thrilled with Watson. Now Just glad we ended up with one of the two. It wouldn’t surprise me if either ended up as an all time great. Enjoy fellas this doesn’t happen often.
     
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    I watched that game and just about every other game the kid has played …. and I also scouted both of them coming out of college with a guy who has been in the NFL for 30+ years and wears 4 super bowl rings.
     
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    You just said he goes through reads as fast as anyone and that’s simply not true. That belongs to guys that actually get the ball out quick like Rodgers, Brady, Rivers, and Brees. Watson and Mahomes also like to hold on to the ball. Watson also ended up having a better rating against the blitz which would also conflict with your earlier statement.
     
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  5. corry

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    Oh I don’t care. You can’t really prove who is due to the teams offensive disparity relative to the coach and offensive line.
     
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    I'm done here.
     
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    Watson’s arm is underrated. I saw him chunk it 70 yards on that fuller play. Where was it from, the end zone I think. As far as excitement goes I mean you have to go with Watson. His clueless hc keeps the score close leading to a more entertaining game. With Patrick you know your going to watch him carve up a defense but he just isn’t as flashy as Deshaun when it comes to entertainment value. For ex: like Watson first td dive. It was pretty smooth the way he glided into the end zone. Doubt mahomes can do that
     
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    Watson and Mahomes are both special. Let's wait an see how many SBs either of them gets, because right now neither of them has one.
     
  9. Mollywhopper

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    It wasn't 70 yards.

    I love Deshaun, wouldn't trade him for anyone, but it's impossible to have an objective discussion about him here.
     
  10. Texecutioner

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    That's why from the beginning of this thread, I stated it was about who was more exciting.

    I knew that some dispshits would come in here right away and ignore that part of the post and do the opposite though.

    I thought it was a good discussion, because Mahomes has the better arm and Watson has faster legs to scramble but both are still good at those other things making them two of the most exciting QB's we've ever seen.

    This is really supposed to be a fun thread. Not a serious debate thread.
     
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    Agree.

    Mahomes is much more accurate as well.

    But that’s no slight to DW4...Mahomes is just an other-worldly talent when it comes to passing. Those guys are rare.
     
  12. Texecutioner

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    Arm wise he is up there with Favre, Marino, and Rodgers. I don't care which guy you or someone else thinks is the best out of those 4 from an arm strength gun slinging perspective, but I hold these 4 up as the best ever at purely slinging it. That is just one aspect of what makes a QB effective obviously though.
     
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    Sorry I wasn’t trying to derail your thread. Honestly should of read your post better. Skimmed over it and thought you were asking who’s better. My bad.

    Let’s see more exciting, I’m going with Watson because he is just so dam Elusive. There are times when it appears a defender has him dead to rights and he just makes them look bad. That’s exciting when he does that.
     
  14. corry

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    How is Mahomes much more accurate?

    He threw for a 66% completion percentage in a system with more screens and shorter passes last year.

    Watson went for a 68% completion rate last year while playing a harder schedule defensively.

    Numbers lie?
     
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    Because completion percentage leaves A LOT to be desire when discussing accuracy?
     
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    One guy is “much more accurate” than the guy who has a higher completion percentage than him. I love the logic behind that.

    Relative to 2018.

    Who had the friendlier QB scheme?
    Mahomes
    Who had the better offensive line?
    Mahomes
    Who had the better skill players?
    Mahomes

    How is the guy that had those three advantages have a lesser completion percentage? I’m having trouble understanding.

    For most of the year, one guy was throwing to DeAndre Hopkins, Stephen Mitchell, V. Smith, Joe Webb III, Ryan Griffin and DeAndre Carter.

    How many of those guys will be getting offensive snaps next week?
     
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    Targets for DW for 2018..

    Hopkins - 163
    Fuller - 45
    Griffin - 43
    Coutee - 41
    Miller - 35
    D Thomas - 33
    Blue - 27
    J Thomas - 27
    Akins - 25

    So that's a massive percentage of throws to the most sure handed guy of the bunch. Then it's only one guy from your list. Then it's a lot of backs and tight ends, aka generally low risk throws.

    And so no, for most of the year he wasn't throwing to those guys.

    At least characterize the argument reasonably.

    Not to mention there are degrees of accuracy for completions. They're not all just one for one complete when discussing accuracy.
     
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    I know which one I'd rather have...

    Andy Reid
     
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  19. corry

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    Pat Mahomes targets per position
    292- WR
    175-TE
    97-RB

    Deshaun Watson
    327-WR
    95-TE
    68-RB

    Do you want to keep going? Or no?

    You should see the amount of passes that were thrown behind the line of scrimmage. Mahomes had quite a few more in 2018 as well.
     
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    As much as I like Watson his arm is not in the same category of what Mahomes is packing and for that matter neither is the right arm of Tom Brady
    who may the GOAT in terms of football accomplishments but for pure arm talent only Aaron Rogers is in the same conversation with MaHomes among active QBs.
     
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