Video Evidence of Pass Defense Woes

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  1. dalemurphy

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    If you can stomach it, we have highlighted seven plays with description and video from the NYG game that pretty well illustrate some of the biggest problems with our pass defense: Texans Bull Blog
     
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    That's a nice effort for all the negative rep you're going to earn. :jk:
     
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    You know how much I had to drink to forget those plays the first time I saw them? This is just cruel Dale.
     
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    I'm still very high on the prospects for the 2010 Texans. However, when I expect to see this team excel and it plays like it did on Sunday, I'm compelled to comprehend why. Studying this week's problems, I'm encouraged that the problems seem fixable (much like last year's run defense issues early on). Of course, if these problems linger into the middle of the season, pessimism and bitterness will eventually win out.
     
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    Thanks for taking the time and effort to make these videos. But you know there's a problem with your defense when Hakeem Nicks starts imitating Andre Johnson. We gotta get our defensive act together fast.
     
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    Like the way you finish by stating that they corrected a lot of the problems in the 2nd half. Can't wait to see the videos of that.

    That first play #3 where KJ just "gets bored" is the kind of stuff that has me so irritated. You're a rookie starting at #1 CB on a team trying to make it to the playoffs for the very first time and you are getting paid WAY more than you've ever made before doing anything else, that's for sure. Keep your head in the game and there's no excuse for effort lapses.
     
  7. Goatcheese

    Goatcheese Nightmare Over

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    I'm not sure what you're seeing in the 59/54 poor in cover 2 video.

    If they're playing cover 2 Diles' zone should be right around the first down line midway between the numbers and the hash marks. That's right where he seems to be. Ryans should be at the same depth but in the center of the hash marks and he also seems to be in the right spot.

    If it was cover 2 then that play was 70% on Quin for being 10 yards deeper than his zone calls for and 30% just the Giants having the right play to beat the soft spot in the cover 2 zone.

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    You make a fair point. However, the illustration of Cover 2 is a good one but is a stagnant representation of the defense. The offensive alignment impacts the LB drops/positions. In the play I was showing, one thing that can not be disputed is that Diles and Ryans shouldn't be shoulder to shoulder on their zone drops.
     


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    Here you go: Texans Defense figures out some stuff!
     
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    News Flash:

    Teams are not scared of AJ right now!! What I mean by that is, teams know that AJ is running at about what? 75% if we're lucky???

    They know he is hobbled and will take full advantage of that. The Giants showed a "nickel" defense a lot of the time, yet they disguised that with a lot of "run blitzes"... Thus the shut-down of our running game and Arian Foster.


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    I apologize!! This post ^^^ was meant for another thread, I think!
     
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    From your video, it seems like Pollard has been making a lot of coverage mistakes. Could he be a major contributor to our defensive woes? Is that why he's racking up so many tackles as a safety?
     
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    He didn't really get bored. He was peeking in the backfield & was confused at what he saw.

    Good job on the analysys Dale, I hope more people see this, and cut Kj some slack.
     
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    I was ready to give up on the season already as late as monday. But today like a good Texan Fan I'm ready to reboot so I'm going to give myself a lobotomy so that I'm ready for Sunday.

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    Thank you for pointing out the cover two sucks. Can we fax this over to old Franky and pick a defensive scheme that doesn't have 10 square miles of turf wide open. Seriously lets try something different!

    Ryans is a pretty good LB but he doesn't have the speed to make the Cover 2 work, especially when we have no pass rush, and since Pollard isn't exactly a cover safety.

    Since we seem to either have a great or non-exsitent pass rush depending on the day, I say if after a quarter of play if we're not getting pressure then we abandon the Cover 2 and go to a different defense.
     
  15. 76Texan

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    Wish I can make videos like you, Dale!
    Makes it easier for discussions.

    Lemme try to give my inputs.

    This play here is on 1st and 10 at our 28
    It was with about 2:40 to go in the first, after Schaub's ill-advised INT.

    I must say I disagree that this is poor "man coverage" by KJ.
    Or shall I just say that I have a different take.

    We brought 6 on the blitz.

    We kept the lone safety (Wilson) on the other side to help Quin and Cushing.
    It only makes sense that we have KJ play off-man so he can be like another safety, taking care of the deep route.
    We were willing to give up a short/medium pass in exchange for the chance to get a sack (or something more) that would push them out of FG range.

    If you notice, there was a point in which Pollard almost passed off his man to KJ to switch to Nicks, but then decided to keep following.

    This no doubt slowed KJ down a bit.
    Next, he (KJ) had to go around Pollard and his man to get to Nicks.
    This put him in an akward position as Nicks made a good cut to the outside.
    Ordinarily, this shouldn't be too bad as Pollard was supposed to be there to contain the outside.

    The Giants got away with a penalty as Pollard was pushed in the back.
    (I guess a penalty could have been called on both guys).

    At any rate, Pollard saw what was going on but was taken out of the play.
    The first down, IMO, is on Pollard, at least partially.
    The two of them were supposed to be working in tandem.

    The design of the play was to get a chance to push them out of FG range.
    The main excution failure was that we didn't get any pressure.
    The seconday failure was that we gave up a bit too much yardage (but then again, there was that push in the back.)
     
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    Again, there's nothing wrong with dropping back into a 3-deep cover shell to have a chance to blitz.

    Giving up a short pass is not a big deal, even though some of us may preferred something a bit more exotic.

    We tried a stunt with Nading LDE going wide while the WILL Cushing stunted to the inside, but the Giants picked it up nicely.
    The pass left Eli's hand in just over 2 secs and he had a clean pocket.
     
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    This one was all on Pollard.

    Demeco dropped back along with the safeties into a 3-deep cover shell.
    McCain (not Jackson) did right by staying in his zone to cover the releasing RB.

    Watch Pollard's, McCain's and Demeco's expressions.
    You can tell Pollard made the mistake.
     
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    Two-Minute Warning
    1-10-NYG 49 (1:58) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete deep left to H.Nicks.

    (I think you put Pollard in by mistake.)

    It looks to me like a designed play.
    KJ was looking back at the QB the whole time.
    He played the inside.

    In the meantime, Quin tried to funnel the slot receiver to the outside, but the guy was able to turn back inside.
    This prevented Nolan to go all out toward the side line.

    (Imagine Quin being able to keep the slot receiver outside.
    This would make Nolan's job much easier as he can watch both receivers deep.)

    KJ might have slowed down a bit too much???
    I don't know for sure.
    Imagine Nolan going close to all-out toward the sideline.
    Eli would have likely shorten his throw even more.
    It sure looks that way if Nolan was to get there sooner to cut off Nicks.
    It sure looks like KJ would have had a chance on the ball.

    You have to bait the QB sometimes, IMO.
     
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    This one was all on KJ!
    Sure, Eli had a lot of time in a clean pocket (the pass left his hand in about 2-1/2 secs). That doesn't help any CB.

    But to get beat to the outside in this situation is bad, all I can say.
     
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    This makes me wonder if this was one of those drawn up in the sand type plays. You say Pollard almost passed & switched, which would tell you it was more of a zone type play. But Since Pollard continued with his man... you have to assume it was indeed man.

    But why do you man Pollard up in the slot, & Drop Kj?? Why not bring Kj down to bump Nicks & Leave Pollard high, like you're supposed to?
     

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