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Um... Did anyone catch Fox Sports?/Kyle Shanahan

ccdude730 said:
nah, i bet were waiting for lebeau....yeah right.

well its pretty simple of who we want (kubiak needs to trust him, WANTS to be part of texans, play with players strengths - which means 34), but the hard part is finding him. and its not like we can get worse than last season - we could barely get pressure on the qb and tacklnig was horrible. if smith meets that then i wouldnt mind seeing him on the sidelines
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According to the stats.. the 4-3 defense is better at getting to the QB than the 3-4 defense in today's NFL. That is the main reason I would like to switch to a 4-3. That, and it seems alot easier to get personel for the 4-3. You dont have to take a small DE and teach him to play out of the 3 point stance.
 
Grid said:
According to the stats.. the 4-3 defense is better at getting to the QB than the 3-4 defense in today's NFL. That is the main reason I would like to switch to a 4-3. That, and it seems alot easier to get personel for the 4-3. You dont have to take a small DE and teach him to play out of the 3 point stance.
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The Steelers defense was ranked 3rd in the NFL in total sacks in 05, the Chargers were 5th, and we ranked 14th if anyone can believe that. You also have to take into account how many teams run the 4-3 in the NFL versus the 3-4. There are what 4 or 5 teams that run the 3-4?
 
Grid said:
According to the stats.. the 4-3 defense is better at getting to the QB than the 3-4 defense in today's NFL.
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How do you come to that conclusion? Of the top 5 teams in sacks last year two are 3-4's--Pittsburgh and San Diego and one runs a lot of 3-4 looks--Miami. That would be an overreprentation of the 3-4 at the top end. New England has usually been up there as well but had a ton of injuries last year. Cleveland was the only 3-4 team in the bottom five and they just made the switch from a 4-3 last year so that isn't really unexpected. IMO one system or the other isn't inherently better, it is how it is coached and how it is played.
 
Quotes on K. Shanahan:

Chucky:
To be honest, I didn’t like Kyle Shanahan either the first three months that he was on the job (laughing). But I warmed up to him.
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http://www.nflcoaches.com/StoryArchives/InsideLockerW9.asp

St Petersburg Times:
Jaguars rookie Matt Jones is among the most intriguing players drafted, a tremendous physical specimen who, because he played quarterback at Arkansas, has no experience at receiver since high school. But Gruden saw the potential early when he and Bucs assistant Kyle Shanahan helped turn the 6-foot-6, 242-pound Jones into a receiver at the Senior Bowl.
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http://www.sptimes.com/2005/08/20/Bucs/Lawrie_s_play_gets_co.shtml

more form last years scouting report:
Tampa Bay's offensive quality control coach Kyle Shanahan has spent time getting him (Matt Jones) extra reps and explaining the nuances of his new position throughout the week…
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http://www.nfldraftscouting.com/seniorbowlreview.htm

The Bucs coaching staff has made accommodations for Jones. Offensive quality control coach Kyle Shanahan has been assigned to answer any and all of Jones' questions, from how to run a play to how to run a route. Gruden gave the players free time from 11 a.m. to 2 p.m. Tuesday. Shanahan immediately walked over to Jones and scheduled a 1:30 p.m. study session.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft05/news/story?id=1975310

I hope that deos somehting to stop teh questions about why Kyle got the job, and damnit people I don't like defending Longhorns that much :D, but it's atleat a little obvious that Shanahan can do a few things as a coach.
 
Grid said:
According to the stats.. the 4-3 defense is better at getting to the QB than the 3-4 defense in today's NFL. That is the main reason I would like to switch to a 4-3. That, and it seems alot easier to get personel for the 4-3. You dont have to take a small DE and teach him to play out of the 3 point stance.
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well for a team like us who doesnt get a whole lot of sacks that other teams do - some might have the mentality that what we need sacks to be a successful defense. IMO sacks are an added plus because all we really need is pressure. once you combine pressure with complex looks thats what causes turnovers and kills your opponents drives.

but yes i agree it will be somewhat easier to get the personnel out there, but 1 offseason might be stretching it a little
 
I'm still not comfortable with a 24 yr old as sole person in charge of a position. I think he would be great as an "assistant's assistant" if you will. Give him 2-3 years of seasoning, then put him in that role. A player is likely to take things to heart more from a guy who looks like he is old enough to have proven that what he is being told is right, a guy that can be looked up to, etc. When a rookie can come in, and see the guy coaching him has little to no experience, and is the same general age, I just don't see how that can be an asset.
 
Porky said:
I'm still not comfortable with a 24 yr old as sole person in charge of a position. I think he would be great as an "assistant's assistant" if you will. Give him 2-3 years of seasoning, then put him in that role. A player is likely to take things to heart more from a guy who looks like he is old enough to have proven that what he is being told is right, a guy that can be looked up to, etc. When a rookie can come in, and see the guy coaching him has little to no experience, and is the same general age, I just don't see how that can be an asset.
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What the hire says to me is that the WR's are in good shape based on Kubiak's film work and Kippy Brown getting a sniff as HC therefore Shanahan is hittng the ground running. The RB's are in good shape due to us resiging the RB coach. The Oline and Carr is where the issue resides. As along as Sherman comes in, I have no qualms.
 
ESPN Insider is claiming Jim Bates is 99% NOT coming here, and it was Kubiak who decided against it. I have copied and pasted the text for you below:

Bates willing to sit out: The weekend didn't do any more to convince Jim Bates, the recently departed Packers defensive coordinator, to take the Bills' defensive coordinator job. So Bills coach Dick Jauron will probably have to go in a different direction. Bates is frustrated. The head coaching job in Green Bay went to Mike McCarthy, and Bates thought he had a good offer to be the Texans' defensive coordinator, but Gary Kubiak decided to go in a different direction. The Bills' offer wasn't great, so Bates is willing to sit out two years -- the Packers would pay his salary -- until he finds something that interests him.

Hopefully this will stop the countless "...I hope Bates is still an option..." replies that I am reading. Bates is history. Not a candidate anymore.

Bates was the top candidate and something happened along the way that radically changed Kubiak's mind.
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
Bates was the top candidate and something happened along the way that radically changed Kubiak's mind.
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Old news, the thing that changed Kubiaks mind was that Bates wanted complete control over teh D coaching staff, and Kubiak wouldn't give it to him.

It's in another thread around here somewhere.
 
Porky said:
I'm still not comfortable with a 24 yr old as sole person in charge of a position.
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I am far from young, but I actually prefer the idea of a young staff. Hey, he's probably very entusiastic, extremely ambitous, and if he's got any of his fathers genes hes probably very intelligent. But the clincher for me is what someone mentioned earlier in this thread, if Belacheck hires an < 30 guy to
be his OC, this guys age as a position coach is not a problem IMO.
 
I decided to make it its own thread because nobody is reading thorugh seven pages of posts to weed out the 999 irrelevant replies to find the 1 nugget that says what we both already knew.

I was posting it for the casually board member who isn't reading the fine print.

Anyways, Gray went to Redskins (which is what I'm bummed about) and looks like they are building a dream team of assistants and coordinators there.
 
Denver Broncos quality control coach Kyle Shanahan was arrested for public intoxication after causing a scene outside the Have a Nice Day Cafe.

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INDIANAPOLIS - Bucs assistant coach Kyle Shanahan was arrested by Indianapolis police early Sunday morning.

Shanahan, 23, was transported to the Arrestee Processing Center. His release was ordered after he appeared in court Sunday and was charged with misdemeanor intoxication.

Shanahan was being "loud, belligerent and causing a scene" after being escorted from the Have a Nice Day Cafe at 2:07 a.m. Sunday, according to a report filed by Indianapolis Police Officer Eric B. Simmons .

"I could smell a strong odor of alcoholic beverage on his person, his eyes were glassy and bloodshot and he was unsteady on level ground."

Simmons said he told Shanahan several times to quiet down but he persisted and was arrested.
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Porky said:
Denver Broncos quality control coach Kyle Shanahan was arrested for public intoxication after causing a scene outside the Have a Nice Day Cafe.

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INDIANAPOLIS - Bucs assistant coach Kyle Shanahan was arrested by Indianapolis police early Sunday morning.

Shanahan, 23, was transported to the Arrestee Processing Center. His release was ordered after he appeared in court Sunday and was charged with misdemeanor intoxication.

Shanahan was being "loud, belligerent and causing a scene" after being escorted from the Have a Nice Day Cafe at 2:07 a.m. Sunday, according to a report filed by Indianapolis Police Officer Eric B. Simmons .

"I could smell a strong odor of alcoholic beverage on his person, his eyes were glassy and bloodshot and he was unsteady on level ground."

Simmons said he told Shanahan several times to quiet down but he persisted and was arrested.
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Any worse then a player getting got driving drunk, not paying child support, and the rest of the infractions commited by the last four years?

Is it any worse then Rudy T getting caught driving drunk?

I chaulk it up to young kud, stupid decison. I know I made some stupid calls at 23-24. Did you?
 
Sign him up. I have no problem with people getting an opportunity and blowing it right out of the box. Drunk and arrested while at the combine, nice. Must be nice to know that nepotism or adopted nepotism is alive and well and somthing you can always fall back on. :rolleyes:

I am all for youth, energy and forgiving youthful transgressions, but this is just one year removed.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Sign him up. I have no problem with people getting an opportunity and blowing it right out of the box. Drunk and arrested while at the combine, nice. Must be nice to know that nepotism or adopted nepotism is alive and well and somthing you can always fall back on. :rolleyes:

I am all for youth, energy and forgiving youthful transgressions, but this is just one year removed.
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It's alos the only incident of it, would you prefer a big name coach with a Leonard Little type record?

If his name was Smith and everything else was the same, would you still hold your opinions about him? That he's too young and not a big name and not enough expeirence?
 
Hoth-Boy said:
It's alos the only incident of it, would you prefer a big name coach with a Leonard Little type record?

If his name was Smith and everything else was the same, would you still hold your opinions about him? That he's too young and not a big name and not enough expeirence?
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No I would not if it were Smith or whoever because then it just may be the merits of the resume rather than a last name. Kid yourself all you want that Shanahan was the best value at WR coach.

Anyone who gets drunk and arrested at the combine does not need to be on our staff.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
Any worse then a player getting got driving drunk, not paying child support, and the rest of the infractions commited by the last four years?

Is it any worse then Rudy T getting caught driving drunk?

I chaulk it up to young kud, stupid decison. I know I made some stupid calls at 23-24. Did you?
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Being drunk in public happens... I'm not the kinnda guy that gets all loud and beligerant... often atlesat.. but it's not even close to being on the same level as driving drunk. Passing out in public makes you look stupid, passing out while driving makes you look dead.. and many others dead...
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Sign him up. I have no problem with people getting an opportunity and blowing it right out of the box. Drunk and arrested while at the combine, nice. Must be nice to know that nepotism or adopted nepotism is alive and well and somthing you can always fall back on. :rolleyes:

I am all for youth, energy and forgiving youthful transgressions, but this is just one year removed.
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I say the drunker the better. Too bad theres no record of battering women to fall back on for him if he sobers up.

By battering i mean, of course, to dip in batter.

what..you thought...shame on you :)
 
Kaiser Toro said:
No I would not if it were Smith or whoever because then it just may be the merits of the resume rather than a last name. Kid yourself all you want that Shanahan was the best value at WR coach.

Anyone who gets drunk and arrested at the combine does not need to be on our staff.
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It was fun, but were both to stubborn to come off our positions, it appears.:redtowel:

I think teh last name played a part, but I don't think it was the only/main part.

one more link:
http://www.coloradoan.com/news/coloradoanpublishing/Football2004/Broncos/season/100304_bucs.htm
 
Porky said:
Denver Broncos quality control coach Kyle Shanahan was arrested for public intoxication after causing a scene outside the Have a Nice Day Cafe.
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I'm a little surprised people judge others based on allegations or public reports so harshly. IMO more than half of America could have walked down the wrong sidewalk and been accused at PI at some point in there lives. Frankly, it is a cop's cop out for arresting anyone at night--argue with anyone, argue with the cop and you get a PI charge. And no, I have never had a PI charge, but somehow this doesn't seem like a factor IMO.

On the other hand, the fact that he is the son of a pretty darn good HC inclines me to grant the guy a couple virtual years of experience. Growing up in the business does pay benefits--ex. the Mannings and half the race drivers around.
 
Don't know if this has already been started, but Troy Calhoun was just named OC of the Texans. Sorry, just turned on the TV for the first time today. Mods, go ahead and delete it if it's already been created.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Belichek and Brady vs Kubiak and Carr. I do care about age depending on the other parts. With Kubiak and Carr we have a first time HC and a QB that has not met expectations.

Once again I want to see what the other parts look like. If Sherman comes aboard I have no problem.
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How can you say that Carr has not met expectations? It's very difficult to throw the football while you are on your back and with a linebacker on top of you. Carr progressed the 1st, 2nd & 3rd years, this past year he did not showed progression but we know why. I Guess Fabre ( the guy in Breen Bay) is a terrible QB.
 
How does Kyle Shanahan get this position (other than name recognition)???

He barely played WR at CU & UT, and in 2003 was a grad Asst at UCLA, then he got a gig as the nose wiper and stripper-keeper-offer for TB Bucs, now he is an NFL position coach?

How would he be able to teach any of the Texans WRs anything?? AJ, HG, CB and JM had more receiving yards in one year than Kyle had in his entire NCAA career!!!

I'm sure AJ and the fellas will listen to him!

Why not sign Jerry Rice as a WR coach??
 
MikeMc said:
How does Kyle Shanahan get this position (other than name recognition)???
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The guy in the White House isn't there without his father's name, the leading
Dem candidate for prez in 2008 is not where she's at without her husband's
name.
Are you starting to get an inkling yet about how some things work in this country ?
 
Umm, not talking about the country, just this one instance.

So you are all fine with this hire?? Not like the Texans need to get any decent coaches.

So why no outcry from all of the "we need more Black coaches"?? If this does not scream good ole boy system, then what does!?

Considering that the Texans' players are perdominately Black, and the city of Houston has a huge Black population (more so now that the Katrina refugees are here), then the team should at least have an equal representation.

How many Black coaches do the Texans have?? 1 (Chick Harris), 2 if you count the asst S&C coach. I guess that means they meet their quota.
 
MikeMc said:
Umm, not talking about the country, just this one instance.

So you are all fine with this hire?? Not like the Texans need to get any decent coaches.

So why no outcry from all of the "we need more Black coaches"?? If this does not scream good ole boy system, then what does!?

Considering that the Texans' players are perdominately Black, and the city of Houston has a huge Black population (more so now that the Katrina refugees are here), then the team should at least have an equal representation.

How many Black coaches do the Texans have?? 1 (Chick Harris), 2 if you count the asst S&C coach. I guess that means they meet their quota.
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Jeeeeez...



that's all I had to say...
 
I was just wondering, is Dan Reily still the strength and conditioning coach? I mean his name and his assistant coach are still listed on the offical website.
 
MikeMc said:
Umm, not talking about the country, just this one instance.
So you are all fine with this hire?? Not like the Texans need to get any decent coaches.
So why no outcry from all of the "we need more Black coaches"?? If this does not scream good ole boy system, then what does!?
Considering that the Texans' players are perdominately Black, and the city of Houston has a huge Black population (more so now that the Katrina refugees are here), then the team should at least have an equal representation.
How many Black coaches do the Texans have?? 1 (Chick Harris), 2 if you count the asst S&C coach. I guess that means they meet their quota.
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I personally am for maximizing the number of black coaches on staff. I think the players relate better to black coaches since they are able to identify
more closely with them (most of the players atleast).
As a matter of fact, I would hope that it comes out that Kubiak has a Bro stashed away somewhere way back in his family tree. That would mean that he'd maybe be 63/64ths white, but for all practical purposes he'd be a black
guy who'd therefor be a more effective leader for his players.
 
Porky said:
Denver Broncos quality control coach Kyle Shanahan was arrested for public intoxication after causing a scene outside the Have a Nice Day Cafe.

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INDIANAPOLIS - Bucs assistant coach Kyle Shanahan was arrested by Indianapolis police early Sunday morning.

Shanahan, 23, was transported to the Arrestee Processing Center. His release was ordered after he appeared in court Sunday and was charged with misdemeanor intoxication.

Shanahan was being "loud, belligerent and causing a scene" after being escorted from the Have a Nice Day Cafe at 2:07 a.m. Sunday, according to a report filed by Indianapolis Police Officer Eric B. Simmons .

"I could smell a strong odor of alcoholic beverage on his person, his eyes were glassy and bloodshot and he was unsteady on level ground."

Simmons said he told Shanahan several times to quiet down but he persisted and was arrested.
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Not too bright either.


http://www.dailytexanonline.com/med...rewrite&sourcedomain=www.dailytexanonline.com


"Junior wide receiver Kyle Shanahan, who will make his Texas debut this fall after transferring from Duke and sitting out last season, suffered a severe leg injury last Saturday at his home in Colorado.

Shanahan was walking his dog when he leaped over a 3-foot fence, but he slipped and an iron fence rod speared his left leg.

Two hours of surgery were needed to repair Shanahan's quadriceps muscle. It left an 8-inch scar on the upper part of his leg."
 
Hey, homeboy is 23. **** like that happens every once in a while. Get a little booze in ya...:yahoo:! The more fun, the better, that's what I always say. Whoever busted him is just a kill-joy.

I'm just joking. My thing has always been, if you are anyhow in the light of the public, drink and do your other stuff at home. That way, you can't get in trouble.
 
MikeMc said:
How does Kyle Shanahan get this position (other than name recognition)???

He barely played WR at CU & UT, and in 2003 was a grad Asst at UCLA, then he got a gig as the nose wiper and stripper-keeper-offer for TB Bucs, now he is an NFL position coach?

How would he be able to teach any of the Texans WRs anything?? AJ, HG, CB and JM had more receiving yards in one year than Kyle had in his entire NCAA career!!!

I'm sure AJ and the fellas will listen to him!
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Charlie Weis was arguably the best coach in college football this year, and he didn't even play a single down of football in college, much less professionally.

Believe it or not, you don't have to be a superstar to understand the game. You don't even have to play the game at a high level. Understanding the game (and being able to teach it) and being a great player are two things completely independent of each other. His lack of success as a college receiver is completely irrelevant to how well he does or doesn't understand the game.

Also, who cares if he's 24? I'm 21, and if some 17 or 18-year-old kid tries to teach me how to better do my job, I'm still going to listen to them. Age doesn't have anything to do with it. If the guy knows what he's teaching and can help me, I'll respect him and listen to him, even if he's 12.
 
Beerfan, I think your name give it away that you are a little biased:) ...however "I like where your head is at". party on wayne!
 
Come on, who hasnt gotten tanked and arrested when they were 23? I did on many occasions. If I had good cash flow like he does, Id probubly do it more. Hard to fault the guy for being a kid.
 
DomDavis said:
Charlie Weis was arguably the best coach in college football this year, and he didn't even play a single down of football in college, much less professionally.

Believe it or not, you don't have to be a superstar to understand the game. You don't even have to play the game at a high level. Understanding the game (and being able to teach it) and being a great player are two things completely independent of each other. His lack of success as a college receiver is completely irrelevant to how well he does or doesn't understand the game.

Also, who cares if he's 24? I'm 21, and if some 17 or 18-year-old kid tries to teach me how to better do my job, I'm still going to listen to them. Age doesn't have anything to do with it. If the guy knows what he's teaching and can help me, I'll respect him and listen to him, even if he's 12.
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Good point.... How many parents have to get their kids to show them how to use a computer. LOL
 
there are plenty of things that make a good coach...two things that certainly do not have any input on whether the guy is gonna be a good coach or not is race and age...i still do not understand why in this day in age race(especially) and age have importance on hiring or public opinion...who cares if the coach is white, black, asian, or hispanic...the look of a man isn't going to decide whether or not the players listen to him...his age isn't going to decide if the players listen to him...it's his character...it's his ability to lead...it's his ability to motivate and to show the guys in the locker room that he knows football...who cares what the people running the show look like?
 
keyfro said:
there are plenty of things that make a good coach...two things that certainly do not have any input on whether the guy is gonna be a good coach or not is race and age...i still do not understand why in this day in age race(especially) and age have importance on hiring or public opinion...who cares if the coach is white, black, asian, or hispanic...the look of a man isn't going to decide whether or not the players listen to him...his age isn't going to decide if the players listen to him...it's his character...it's his ability to lead...it's his ability to motivate and to show the guys in the locker room that he knows football...who cares what the people running the show look like?
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Amen brother
 
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