I found this very interesting so I split it out into it's own thread. These numbers are for Carr for his first 5 years, Cunningham for 86-90, Culpepper for 00-04, and Plummer for 97-01. I expanded on Arky's numbers a little bit: Name - Games - Sacks - Fumbles - Fumbles lost - Ints - Yards - YPA - TDs - Rushing - Rushing TDs Carr.......... - 76 - 249 - 66 - 21 - 65 - 13391 - 6.5 - 059 - 1233 - 8 Cunningham - 75 - 277 - 57 - ?? - 63 - 14851 - 6.8 - 106 - 3232 - 23 Culpepper.. - 73 - 197 - 72 - 31 - 74 - 18604 - 7.8 - 129 - 2317 - 28 Plummer.... - 68 - 179 - 40 - 18 - 94 - 14650 - 6.6 - 072 - 900 - 8 One of my knocks against Carr is that he just doesn't get the TD's. I think we see that here. When you look at Cunningham and Culpepper, they're putting points on the board during these periods of their careers. I've heard that Culpepper's problem has been that, although he's a big guy, he's got small hands and he fumbles a lot. You can see that in the numbers. But 28 rushing TD's and 129 passing TD's? Jeez. Cunningham had a helluva lot of sacks but he was back there scrambling around trying to make things happen and... he frequently did. His numbers are remarkably similar to Carr's except for the rushing TD's and rushing yardage. Plummer during this period took the Cardinals to their first post-season victory since the 40's. The knock on him was that he just threw WAY too many interceptions. It's amazing anyone gave him a shot after this. He had 1 more year in Arizona before going to the Broncos and a lot of people were surprised that the Broncos were willing to take him. He had 3 fairly good years in Denver under Kubiak. If I were going to draw any conclusion from this it would just be that Carr has played worse than Cunningham and Culpepper but not worse than Plummer (during the period we're talking about.) If Kubiak was able to salvage something with Plummer who was really horrible coming to the Broncos, then I will trust him to make the right decision with Carr.