Tytus Howard = Duane Brown 2.0???

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  1. throwANDREtheBALL

    throwANDREtheBALL Veteran

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    I don't know how many times I've read this since the pick was made...but its just wrong.

    Lets look at the numbers

    Tytus Howard - 6'5 - 322
    Arms - 34
    40 - 5.05
    bench - 21
    vert - 29.5
    broad - 8'07
    shuttle - 4.87
    3-cone - 8.34

    Duane Brown - 6'5 - 310
    Arms - 33.75
    40 - 5.08
    bench - 24
    vert - 27.5
    broad - 8'08
    shuttle - 4.52
    3-cone - 7.58

    If your comparing average humans, then yes, they are very similar big men.
    If your comparing Left Tackles, then no, they look like two different positions.
    Left Tackle needs big, strong and most of all agile. Shuttle and 3-cone should be where a future left tackle stands out among the other players on the O-line. Duane's 4.54 and 7.58 were good. His shuttle was 3rd best among tackles at the combine I think. Tytus's 4.87 is in the 20-25th rank of tackles this year. 3-cone is even scarier. So please don't compare them anymore. I hope Howard can make me look like an idiot and play even better than Duane Brown. But, I think its a stretch to think he can physically play left tackle at a high level when Mr.Davenport can move better and we know how good he is.
     
  2. Mangler

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    Who said Tytus Howard = Duane Brown 2.0?
     
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    JB Old Curmudgeon

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    where did this idea come from?
     
  4. throwANDREtheBALL

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    "Again, I’m not reinventing the wheel by pointing out that a HBCU tackle might need some work on his technique to become a good NFL player. Lance Zierlein said Howard reminded him of Duane Brown. I think Brown was a cut above Howard as an athlete, but there is definitely upside to grow into.

    With Howard it’s going to be about wrangling all those parts to work together, something that was evident even on the small bits that I was able to watch. Even people who do have more reps than me would tell you that they don’t have much. Howard had just 115 college snaps before his senior season.

    If the Duane Brown comp excited you, remember that Duane Brown was not good in his first season. In fact, he split time with Ephraim Salaam and often was overmatched."

    THEKDOG
    in the TYTUS HOWARD thread, page 11

    I don't know how to quote properly
     
  5. Texazan

    Texazan Our HOF 34

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    LOL, combine numbers, ok so that's how we draft now? Come on
     
  6. ArlingtonTexan

    ArlingtonTexan Moderator Staff Member

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    if you didn't need to start another thread...it would be simpler.
     
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    Show me a good starting left tackle with bad agility.
    And I'll shutup.
     
  8. maverick512000

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    I will grant you he plays right tackle but Orlando Brown Jr. says hi. Combine is a joke in my book, players focus on getting high numbers on these exact things but that doesn’t tell you much about the player and how they will actually play.

    Look at all the busts at all positions that had great combine numbers. That .76 on 3 cone and .35 isn’t going to mean a thing on the field. It’s kind of like your GPA, it means nothing once you get out of school into the real world.
     
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    Cordy Glenn and Andrew Whitworth have very similar speed numbers to Howard.
     
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    Duane Brown had different coaching
     


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    I think the comparison comes from the expectations of where the players were supposed to be drafted and where they were actually drafted. Nothing more, nothing less. And because they play the same position.
     
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    NastyNate I go kerplunk

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    Because combine = tape? Please stop.
     
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    I know right!

    I mean Zerloin can't even speel his name right. What are the chances he knows anything about football... much less O-line play. Random internet dude, I got your back man!

    Mike
     
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    I also read Howard's hand strength/skills are mediocre to bad. Even if you're strong AND agile, what's it matter if you let a DL swim past you? The main worry I have with this pick is "developmental" and "upside" and "needs coaching." Devlin doesn't do that, does he? He should have been fired after Jacksonville's 10 sacks 2 years ago. But if Howard develops eventually, where are the rest of the units (or Watson's health) by that time?

    And I'm evaluating him not against Davenport, who I'm sure he's an instant upgrade over, but against 1st-round talent. Should your #23 pick have "good upside" or isn't that a term more for a 4th-rounder?

    Maybe that's how the Texans evaluated Howard, "must be better than Davenport, get him!"
     
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    NastyNate I go kerplunk

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    He's gained 87+ pounds in three years and hasn't settled into his new mass. As a pretty decent S&C coach, I can assure you that will improve in a year or two. It takes time.
     
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    **** Cushing will have him ready by TC lol
     
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    huh?
     
  18. Texanmike02

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    /sarcasm
     
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    Will Tytus Howard be more like Travis Johnson or Duane Brown?

    Asking for a friend.
     
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    Good post but I don't think that was me
     

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