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We are going to carry a whole roster spot dedicated solely for kickoff and punt returns?
LOL.
I'll believe it when I see it.
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Trindon Holliday KR LSU 6th round selection
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LOL.
I'll believe it when I see it.
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In game 2 of the season, he bobbled a punt near our own goal line. He had signaled fair catch, dropped the ball, and before it hit the ground a Titans player grabbed it out of the air. It was ruled that the ball was supposed to touch the ground before opposing team cold touch it (fair catch rule).
So if not sure if THAT situation is one of the two fumbles counted against him.
All I know is that he isn't putting the ball on the ground nearly as much as he did each previous year.
I am wondering if JJ is going to be used pretty much solely as a WR this season. That's probably his best bet for staying on the roster, especially if Doc Holliday shoots holes through opposing special teamers.
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Jacoby and Mathis are taller and can be knocked off their stride, due to how fast they run and that whole center-of-gravity thing.
I can remember watching JJ get touched as he ran by someone, and he appears to start walking a tightrope trying to keep his balance as he tries to keep moving forward with as much speed as possible. That's when you see him raise that ball-carrying arm up in the air trying to balance himself out, and special teamers ripping at that arm of his.
This Holliday guy looks like a bowling ball shot out of a cannon. He doesn't get un-squared when he's touched. It's just all 100% forward-moving body mass at a high rate of speed. Very impressive, and I wonder why he lasted this long in the draft? Very curious.
I just wanted to point out that badboy, beerlover and I called this pick about a month ago.
I am pumped for this guy. Field position will improve, special teams TDs will improve, and he if he gets the ball 3-5 times on offense, the offense will improve. This guy is legit.
I am pumped for this guy. Field position will improve, special teams TDs will improve, and he if he gets the ball 3-5 times on offense, the offense will improve. This guy is legit.
GP
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Here's some high-definition youtube clips of Holliday, in the Arkansas game. Pause the video and let it load, because it takes it awhile.
Punt return @ the 1:50 mark on the video is indicative of what you guys have been saying about him: No dancing around; he looks for the crease/seam and he hits it as fast as he can peddle.
On the replay they show, he even entices two or three Arkansas special teamers into committing to a lane where he was about to have some LSU blockers arrive at the same time he makes his cut to his right, which is where he creates his own seam. Pretty freaking smart, if you ask me.
On the running plays he's involved in, he looks like Moats to me. Lots of around-the-corner and down the sideline stuff. Hard to pick him up as we weaves through his blockers.
On the last play of the clip, watch the two LBs at the snap...they are completely isolating on Holliday even during the fake handoff to the other LSU running back. Holliday is commanding respect when he's on the field, because the Razorbacks have been burned too much by him.
Punt return @ the 1:50 mark on the video is indicative of what you guys have been saying about him: No dancing around; he looks for the crease/seam and he hits it as fast as he can peddle.
On the replay they show, he even entices two or three Arkansas special teamers into committing to a lane where he was about to have some LSU blockers arrive at the same time he makes his cut to his right, which is where he creates his own seam. Pretty freaking smart, if you ask me.
On the running plays he's involved in, he looks like Moats to me. Lots of around-the-corner and down the sideline stuff. Hard to pick him up as we weaves through his blockers.
On the last play of the clip, watch the two LBs at the snap...they are completely isolating on Holliday even during the fake handoff to the other LSU running back. Holliday is commanding respect when he's on the field, because the Razorbacks have been burned too much by him.
TEXANRED
Texan-American
We were 4th in O and 13th in D. The only thing that separated us from the Jets was week 1.
Think about it, Ben Tate, 6 foot 220 4.43 40 is the every down, get a yard when you need a yard back we have needed. Slaton if he comes back healthy can still be Slaton of old, and Foster looked really good last year. For once, our RB's have talent. I think Tate is the guy that will come in and completely change the outlook of our teams and will be the guy that will close out games for us.
We got deeper at CB. Quinn, Reeves, McCain are already three solid players. Now we have Jackson and McMannis joining the club which could very well spell the end for Bennett and Molden. Finally we will have a solid back field that has depth and talent.
Our DL rotation got deeper with Mitchell. Remember, Smith moves inside on passing downs and Barwin will be in his second year. And oh yeah, we got this other guy named Mario Williams who plays DE for us.
We got more athletic at the LB position with the addition of Sharpton. Combine that with our starters of Ryans, Cushing, and Diles with XA we have a young group of athletic fast LB's that gives Bush many different options scheme wise.
Then we go off and draft Shelley Smith that is a big fast OG that fits our scheme so I dont understand all the Bitchin. He can sit and learn for a year. Out interior line got better and more experience after last year. Caldwell, White, Myers, Studdard, now Shelley if he makes the team. Again. we are deep depth wise.
Was this an exciting draft full of glitz and glamour? No. But neither was the Colts draft, or the Patriots, or the Steelers. But all they do is go out and get the players that fit their team and win.
So I say
to Kubes and Smith.
GuerillaBlack
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I see him as being a safety-option at running back, too. Gotta' remember that Domanick Davis was from LSU and was small and dynamic (brought in by Capers to be a so-called special teamer and 3rd down running back).
But I think Jacoby's days of returning kicks AND punts might be over.
I think Kubiak fed him some more snaps at wide receiver to see what Jacoby could do with it. All he seemed to do when he was in there at WR was catch passes and turn it into pretty good YAC, and the 6 TDs at limited playing time is a bonus.
Active roster for RB:
1. Slaton
2. Foster
3. Tate
4. Holliday (because he can return kicks AND punts)
We had carried Jacoby as a WR and a punt returner, so he gets relegated to a true WR role (Probably going to cut Andre Davis, so that opens up a WR roster spot for JJ) and we add Holliday in there as a RB/PR & KR (who now assumes that dual-role ability that JJ once did).
Yep. I think Kubiak wants JJ to focus on his WR duties and will utilize him more this year.
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I'm kind of sad.
Like the day we heard JJ Moses was leaving.
But if the special teams gets better and better with each passing-of-the-torch, then so be it!
I've always felt that returner should be a stand alone position. Like long snapper. Glad to see Kubiak coming around to that concept.
Jackie Chiles
Veteran
In the highlights it looks like some 12 year old kid jumped out of the stands and ran on the field, only he is juking everyone trying to catch him out of their shoes. Who has seen Kick Ass? Holliday=Hit Boy.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
I don't see any reason why they would take JJ off of kick returns. There are always two players back to receive the kicks, Andre Davis and JJ. Now it should be JJ and Holliday. Who else would they use for KR with Holliday?
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
I probably should have specified. I think JJ is done being a primary guy on kick returns. I think Holliday will be the guy who returns the kicks more often than not.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
I'd prefer to have JJ concentrate solely on WR to see if he can eventually supplant Walter.* There was a lot of people that complained about re-signing KW because it would cut into JJ's playing time but if JJ is focusing only on WR maybe he has a better shot at taking some of KW's playing time or convincing the coaches not to unleash TE hell on opponents!!!
*Provided Holliday can handle being our return specialist. I think he can, since he was so successful in the SEC.
*Provided Holliday can handle being our return specialist. I think he can, since he was so successful in the SEC.
TimeKiller
Guest
Yes, I see now and the 7th pick will be used as a reciever.
This guy is amazingly fast. That one highlight of him throughout a whole game shows the wheels. On the punt return he put on the juice around the 30 and beat a guy who had a good 10-12 yard head start on him.
So then it's Jacoby Jones, Wide Receiver is it? I'm alright with it. He deserves it and I'm excited to see what he's capable of as a bigger cog in the offense. I think AJ/JJ as Batman and Robin is a lethal combination. Who's playing time diminishes? I pray to everything considered holy David Anderson is done as the slot-receiver-motion-blocker, this is Kevin Walter's new role and probably the 7th pick the backup. And speaking of Kevin Walter's new role, with guys like Holliday and JJ and plenty of others I think we're done with the KW running back look. That doesn't count as a trick play Kubiak.
So is Anderson ok as the 4th receiver?
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The only thing I can see is if Kubiak wants to try and promote Martinez and relegate Dickerson to the practice squad.
Kubiak loves to create step-by-step, steadily up the ladder loyalty within his team. I could see him making sure a few vets get a nod early on unless something gets weird with a vet who isn't performing or is hurt.
I've spoken about how Kubiak's "loyalty" is a good thing in one sense, but can be a damning thing in another sense. I was torqued with the limited role JJ received in the receiving game last year...but it looks like JJ was getting a tryout for the 2010 season. Things must have gone so well that Kubiak hired a true return specialist so JJ could be a full-time WR.
Bravo.
ubecool454
Veteran
Martinez is probably outta here. JJ will be the #2 WR on some days and #3 on other days...it just depends on the team and who we going up against. Holliday is not that big but half the defenders won't see him and the other half can't catch him even if they have the angle. We thought Jerome Mathis was fast? How about a match race with Tridon and Chris Johnson? I just hope Holliday can dance because the only post TD dancer we have right now is JJ.....David Anderson tried to dance but I would rather he didn't..lol
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Martinez might be on the outside looking in, but then again he might be a guy Kubiak wants to replace KW or DA if something happens.
The guy hasn't seen much more than just special teams action, but I bet he stays one more season with us. Just a hunch, but sometimes hunches end up being wrong.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
What's wrong with DA? He's got superglue for hands and a knack for getting open on 3rd down.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Down to 2 QBs and I don't think we need a LS either. Let Graham and Casey take some of Dreesen's TE load to reduce chance of injuring our LS.
Martinez' only hope is that he's substantially further ahead on route running than Dickerson. Otherwise he's out... but he's a fighter so it'll be an exciting battle to see if Martinez can send that giant ball of athleticism to the practice squad.
V3rm0nt3r
Rookie
Do I smell a new nickname?
Dishman
Miss Ya Blue
Hehe, fair enough. Maybe we could use a little Dishman action in our Texans secondary. Really looking forward to see how Holliday will look in training camp!
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Once he catches the ball, tacklers nab him pretty much on-the-spot.
When JJ runs a slant and catches it...the whole secondary freaks out and trips over their own feet. It happens. I seen it. Plenty.
Opposing secondaries are not scared of letting DA catch the ball. But you bet your rhubarb pie they quake when JJ catches a ball, in stride, in the open field. It's the same as when JJ catches a punt, in stride, and has an opening...it's right in his wheelhouse. He freaks out over fair catches and waiting on a pass. But if he's in fluid motion, it clicks in his head and his hands match his feet.
DA and KW are possession receivers, but KW has length and reach advantage over DA. I think both guys are going to be used, but KW getting the vast majority of looks. At least that's the smart play, IMO.
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
My spidey sense tells me Trindon Holliday is going to have a very explosive albeit short career. TDs galore then this kid's getting crumpled in a fell swoop.
*ker-unch*
Maybe even Theismann worthy? Whatever they may be, I can't wait for the highlights of this kid. He's a football player! The way he tucks the football in while in a higher gear is a thing of beauty. I just wish he was bigger. 160 lbs? Holy hell.
*ker-unch*
Maybe even Theismann worthy? Whatever they may be, I can't wait for the highlights of this kid. He's a football player! The way he tucks the football in while in a higher gear is a thing of beauty. I just wish he was bigger. 160 lbs? Holy hell.
Goldensilence
hipster elite
Good explanation.
He's survived in the SEC so I think the guy can survive in the NFL.My spidey sense tells me Trindon Holliday is going to have a very explosive albeit short career. TDs galore then this kid's getting crumpled in a fell swoop.
*ker-unch*
Maybe even Theismann worthy? Whatever they may be, I can't wait for the highlights of this kid. He's a football player! The way he tucks the football in while in a higher gear is a thing of beauty. I just wish he was bigger. 160 lbs? Holy hell.
Like at LSU he's not going to be asked to be a primary back and initially probably will be a PR/KR. But, I really think after seeing him in TC the staff is just going to have to find ways to get the ball in his hands. He's going to be killer on screen plays and has the ability to make dump off passes into big plays out of the backfield.
texanhead08
All Pro
Holliday is the NCAA champ @ 100m.....my friends thats fast.
I am not too worried about durability. He does not have a history of injuries thus far, so I think we are ok. He wont be asked to run up the gut,, that will help him out.
Some people's bodies just hold together better than other people's. It appears that Holliday has gotten lucky. That said, freak injuries happen to everyone. So we will see.
Some people's bodies just hold together better than other people's. It appears that Holliday has gotten lucky. That said, freak injuries happen to everyone. So we will see.
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
Lightning fast track star. Should be fun to watch him during preseason.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I think you might be onto something here. If D.A. hadn't re-signed to significant $$, I'd say that he and Martinez will be duking it out for that last WR spot. But D.A.'s new contract gives him a leg up - at least this year.
And the acquisition of Dickerson - and Kubiak's declaration that he'll be a WR - probably makes 2010 Martinez's last chance to nail down a WR spot.
GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
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Once you make this team, you tend to stay here.
Darius Walker knows this all too well: He seemed to NEVER really get over the top here, yet Kubiak was always bringing him back. He was cut, brought back, put on the practice squad, brought up, send down, etc.
Kubiak has a "farm system," in a sense, and I think Martinez is one of those guys that will be around at least one more year.
The smart play is to dump Andre Davis. Then have your WRs set as AJ, JJ, KW, DA, Dickerson, and Martinez. I just wonder why Dickerson lasted to round 7. I mean, that's a looooong time.
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CloakNNNdagger
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Wouldn't it be somewhat unlikely that Kevin Walter would be on notice after his March 5-year $21 million contract ($8 million guaranteed)?
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GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
Or a nice mixture of both. I like the way Kubiak and Smith are shaping up our receiving core. Just wish we could have traded Andre Davis for some picks during the draft.
Fixed it for ya!
V3rm0nt3r
Rookie
RE-Fixed it for both of us,