Top 5 best and worst moves made by Charlie Casserly

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  1. TexanFan80

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    just incase u didnt see it in the houston chronicle and what is yalls top 5 best and worst moves made by Charile Casserly

    BEST MOVES BY CHARLIE CASSERLY

    1. Domanick Davis RB
    4th round pick 2003
    has averaged more than 1000 yards rushing in 3 seasons

    2. Dunta Robinson CB
    1st round 2004
    some thought he was too small to be picked in top 10

    3. Demarcus Faggins CB
    6th round 2002
    a valuable reserve who became a valuable starter

    4. Chester Pitts G
    2nd round 2002
    hasnt missed one play at tackle or guard in 4 seasons

    5. Steve McKinney G
    unrestricted free agent 2002
    teams first free agent has been solid at center and guard





    WORST MOVES MADE BY CHARLIE CASSERLY

    1. Tony Hollings RB
    2nd round 2003
    either injuried or ineffective over his 3 seasons

    2. Phillip Buchanon CB
    Trade 2005
    cost second and third round picks last season and was terrible last season

    3. Tony Boselli OT
    2002 expansion draft
    first player picked in expansion draft never played because of bad shoulder

    4. Charlie Hill NT
    3rd round 2002
    Lasted one year as a backup before being waived out of the league

    5. Bennie Joppru TE
    2nd round 2003
    hasnt played or practiced because of injuries
     
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    Did an intern write that list or was it taken off the wire?
     
  3. the wonger need food

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    Worst move... hiring Dom Capers.
     
  4. aj.

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    My comments on this are in the McClain thread.
     
  5. TexanFan881

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    I think Demarcus Faggins should be number one considering he was a 6th round pick and was our #2 CB last year. That was a great steal in that years draft.
     
  6. AlexVanderpool

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    Tony Boselli was not a bad move, imo. he gave in instant amount of credibility and marketing power to an infantile franchise and he allowed us to get gary walker and seth payne.

    The worst move by far, imo, was trading the almost our entire draft for Jason Babin. That was a time when we were improving, an needed young starters/ depth at many positions.

    McKinney has been anything but solid at center. he was one of the biggest liabilities last year on the line, until he was moved to guard.
     
  7. Double Barrel

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    Many forum posters could have written a MUCH better list than this. The Chronicle should be ashamed for employing such poor writing...but they're not what they used to be when real competition was around.
     
  8. Scooter

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    mckinney's on the list because he's always available for interview. faggins is on the list simply because of how bad we are. boselli was a good pick at the time because there was a small possibility that he could play, and jacksonville freed up guys that we were targeting in agreement for taking boselli. they did get a couple right though, albeit probably dumb luck.

    BEST MOVES

    1. Domanick Davis. hard to argue this one when your 4th rounder becomes rookie of the year, and has so much potential. if/when he stays healthy, he's a consistant 1300-1500yd guy who's also solid catching out of the backfield.

    2. Dunta Robinson. although it was a no-brainer that we were taking dunta at this pick, the chants to trade up for sean taylor, robert gallery, & larry fitzgerald were impossible to ignore. we stayed our course, and IMO got the best player from the 2004 draft. the 10th pick in the draft, in such a risky position (CB) isnt supposed to step in right away and not only dominate, but also be the team leader on defense in his 2nd season.

    3. Chester Pitts. the only bright spot on our offensive line. as a 2nd round pick, can play anywhere across the line and looks to be a fixture on this team for the long haul.

    4. Jerome Mathis. this is really marciano's pick, but casserly got him. casserly was apparently receptive to the intel from his coaches and trusted their judgement when saying that this kid has untold athletic potential. i've personally never been more impressed with a kick returner, not because of his stats, but because he moves quickly forward without dancing and his eyes are always up the field. a 4th round rookie in the probowl solidifies that point.

    5. Mario Williams. boom or bust, mario's going to be casserly's legacy because again he trusted his coaches on what's going to win games, and from all reports, this was in agreement on this player before even talking to kubiak. while mario's performance will affect hindsight, it wont detract from the fact that coach & GM were on the same page and building this team the right way. going so blatently against public opinion, when certain that it's in the best interest of winning games, despite being barbequed for it, gets bonus points in my book.

    WORST MOVES

    1. Dom Capers. solid defensive coordinator, proved that he cant win as a head coach without a stacked deck. also proved that he's not talented at stacking the deck in his favor. with kubiak lobbying strongly for the job (and brought in after dom's faceplant), there were certainly better options for the job. one of several times that casserly made his decision without proper research.

    2. Phillip Buchannon. 4 game tapes. i dont care if he's dwight freeney, you dont trade multiple first day draft picks for a player you know nothing about. the casual observer across the league will tell you that p-burnt is a very athletic bust. if after heavy studies the front office still thought there was enough potential to justify acquiring this player who'd struggled so much, multiple first day picks is highway robbery.

    3. Jason Babin. i dont believe for a second that babin was so highly touted that it was a do or die to trade up for a tweener. what pushes this one into one of the worst trades i've seen, is that it's with a division rival. not only did we reach heavily, on a player out of position in the first round, we gave a division rival 2 early first day picks in the process. (for the record, i like babin & think he's going to be a great DE, but that has no bearing on his draft day)

    4. Offensive Line. yes, we sprinkled in a couple guys in hopes that they'd assist, but we made no legitimate effort to shore up one of the most pathetic areas on a team in NFL history. in our innagural season we broke the wrong sack record, and until this offseason, havent made an effort to correct it.

    5. Contracts. wow. while i praised casserly earlier for trusting his coaches, he again has failed to meet expectations by granting average players top tier salaries. morlon greenwood, todd wade, steve mckinney, mark bruener, jeb putzier, & gary walker, among others, have been paid much more than their resume's warranted. as the GM, it's his call on who & how much ... a job that he seemingly passed off to the underlings and just gave his stamp of approval blindly.
     
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  9. TheRealJoker

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    I could make a whole new top 5 list of worst moves without even mentioning the ones they did. Shows how bad he screwed up our first 4 seasons imo :brickwall
     
  10. Grid

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    Im fine with the top 5.. bottom 5 would be

    1. Tony Hollings
    2. Charles Hill
    3. Dom Capers
    4. The Babin Trade
    5. Phillip Buchanan


    Boselli wasnt a bad move. Joppru had no injury history and passed all his physicals.. the fact that he has never taken a snap has nothing to do with anything that Casserly did. Injuries to a player after they have been drafted, when the player had no history of injury, or reason to be injured, cannot be blamed on the GM.
     
  11. HJam72

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    That's a much better list and that #5 has me glad Casserly's leaving now. I've forgotten all about the money part of it while we've been discussing his legacy in other threads.
     
  12. Grid

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    Did Casserly do the negotiating though? I believe we have someone specifically in charge of contract negotiations.
     
  13. aj.

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    Ferens did the specific contract negotiations but he didn't act alone when it came to cost. He was working within a framework that was set by McNair and Casserly.

    When it came to decisions such as giving up draft picks like on the Buchanon and Babin deals, that was Casserly's decision, based on the "how bad do you want him Dom and Vic?" question and input from Ferens on how the transaction affects the cap number.
     
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    The worst move has to be hiring Dom Capers. If CC is going to pass the blame for the draft busts (Babin, Travis Johnson, etc.), the trades (PBuc), and the excessive salaries (Greenwood) on "just doing what the coaches wanted", then he is to be blamed for hiring (and then keeping) a coach that made so many blunders. I guess CC can just blame Capers for not asking to be fired?

    I still disagree with this whole notion that CC was merely acting under Capers' orders and therefore he was blameless for the horrible team that was on the field last year. I agree with the following quote from this linked ESPN article: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2440388

     
  15. Texan in Japan

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    I think one of the worst moves was getting rid of Aaron Glenn.
     
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    BEST MOVES

    1. Dominick Davis - I have been a real critic of his, but he was a steal in the 4th round. Despite the fact that CC didn't know what he had, it was a great selection nonetheless (kind of like the Pats getting credit for Brady in the 6th. If they thought he was THAT good wouldn't they have taken him earlier?)

    2. Demarcus Faggins - A 6th round guy that has stuck around as a nickel back and started some? Nice find.

    3. Jerome Mathis - A raw talent in the 4th round. Made the Pro Bowl as a return specialist his first season. Has potential to be a good WR too.

    4. CC Brown - the guy was a 6th round selection yet started most of the year at safety (some SS and some FS). Nice late round find.

    5. Seth Wand - Say what you want about this guy, but he has started and finally looks like he might get a chance to show his skills. If he can be even a mediocre LT in the NFL, he was a steal where we drafted him. I think the new coaching staff will make good use of him.



    WORST MOVES

    1. Tony Hollings - the guy played 4 games as a RB in college against substandard teams and we used a 2nd rounder on him? We shouldn't have spent a first day pick on this guy at all. A 4th is the MOST they should have spent.

    2. Phillip Buchanon - They made a hasty decision and didn't do enough homework. Even if we were confident that we could make something out of this guy, why give the Raiders the equivalent of a 1st round pick for a guy who hadn't played anywhere near it for 3 seasons? At worst we should have given them a low 2nd rounder (traded down Falcons style)...at worst.

    3. Jason Babin - Even if this guy had turned out to be everything he was supposed to be, we gave too much up to a division rival to get him. The fact that he hasn't played up to his billing just adds to it.

    4. Unnecessary Contract Extensions - We repeatedly give extensions to guys that we get rid of soon afterwards like Eric Brown, Billy Miller, Gary Walker, and others.

    5. First few days of FA - We overpaid for mediocre to bad talent with Greenwood, Wade, and possibly Weaver. I'm sure there are others but these three came to mind.

    Note: I don't know how ANYONE could blame Casserly for Joppru. He had no history of injuries and has had the worst injury luck I have seen since Ken Griffey Jr.
     
  17. Scooter

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    the bad deffinately outweighs the good, which is obvious with 4 consecutive losing seasons.

    releasing glenn & sharper
    only 1 of our 19 player expansion draft is still with the team
    tony hollings
    travis johnson ... johnson was & would've been a bust in the 3-4 and we passed on BPA, who just happened to be at one of our weakest positions, to get him.
    matt stevens
    david carr ... i like carr, but your franchise quarterback should never be put in such a no-win situation. even if we had to take him, casserly should've put "do not open until 2004" on his jersey.
    jermaine lewis
    preseason cuts - is it just me or did we make it a habit to release our best preseason performers?

    and many more that i'm too hung over to think of
     
  18. Bamaborn-Texasbred

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    You guys have pretty much hit all of the bad moves.

    I just wanted to stress that after four offseasons Casserley still couldn't put a remotely capable offensive line on the field. That has been the bane of this team's existence from day one, and even though I see promise, the jury is still out on whether or not we will see one next season.
     
  19. TexansFanatic

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    What about passing on Clinton Portis for Jabar Gaffney? How does that rank among the "What the *#@*!" moves?
     
  20. Glacier

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    I like how no one mentioned Carr as being a bad move over Julius Peppers. :brickwall

    Best draft day decision, with out question is Dominack Davis. Everyone likes to talk about Carr not having success as a result of the O line, yet Davis has had 3 consecutive 1000 yard seasons behind that same O Line.

    *cues the "Run Blocking is Different than Pass Blocking" denialists.*
     

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