TJ Yates vs Case Keenum (Training Camp/Pre season 2013)

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  1. Rey

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    Should be one of the more interesting competitions in camp. I think the fans will definitely be paying attention to this battle...

    But I was listening to the 610 and John Lopez brought up an interesting point. He contends that there's 0 chance Keenum beats out Yates. He said that even if Keenum outplays Yates, you're not going to have the team come out and directly say Keenum is the #2.

    His reasoning is that if that were to happen, you'd have an immediate QB controversy/a bunch of pressure on Schaub. Right now it's Yates vs Keenum...If Keenum is the back up....all of a sudden he's one spot away from starter. As the third string QB he doesn't pose any immediate threat to Schaub. There's no "circus" type atmosphere with die hard Coog fans or Keenum fans or just fans of local talent frothing at the mouth for Keenum to make that one last jump to the starting line-up. With how Schaub finished last year, if Keenum were his back up I do think it'd be a big fuss at Schaub's first mistake or bad game.

    Anyways, this number 2 QB competition will be interesting to follow. Lots around here do believe that Case has the talent to at least be a back up.

    http://houston.culturemap.com/news/...ouston-star-to-challenge-tj-yates-for-qb-job/
     
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    I think it is ridiculous to think the Texans will pay any attention to the desires of Coog fans.
     
  3. Rey

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    I don't think they'll pay attention to it, but I do think they think about having a circus type atmosphere regarding their QB situation.

    If they truly believe Schaub is their guy, I doubt they'll want any real competition breathing down his neck. But that's not a Texans thing...That's an NFL thing...

    But based on Kubiaks comments a little while ago, they may indeed want heat to be put on Schaub.
     
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    I disagree that shuffling the order of backup QB's creates any "breathing down the neck" of any starting QB.
     
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    Even diehard Coog fans are split on Keenum's NFL impact. There will be no local groundswell to replace Schaub as the starter. Unless Schaub is playing very poorly. This is not analogous to VY coming out of UT.
     
  6. Rey

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    Ok.

    I won't argue with your opinion.

    But I do believe that if Keenum wins the back up QB position there will be even more pressure on Schaub to perform and a good chunk of the fan base will become even less patient with Schaub because it'd mean Keenum would be next in line.


    I think it's going to be an interesting dynamic throughout camp to see if Keenum is really given an opprotunity to overtake Yates. And if so, whether or not Yates can hold him off.
     
  7. Rey

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    A split coogs fan base in Houston is still a far greater support group/cheering section than that for TJ Yates.

    Part of Keenum's popularity is based on the fact that he was a really good U of H QB.
     
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    I'd like to think that it will be an interesting battle, but I think it will play out like it did last preseason. We'll see Schaub a little more than we should and Yates will take the rest of whatever meaningful snaps are left. Keenum will take over in the 4th quarter of preseason games against 3rd stringers and guys fighting for a job. He won't receive the benefit of playing with quality players nor the necessary evaluation of playing against quality players.
     


  9. Rey

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    I think he'll get a few more reps than he did last pre season depending on where McGee is slotted.

    If McGee is ahead of him on the depth chart, then you have a Beck situation all over again. If Keenum is your third QB, then he's going to get those reps that Beck got last year...
     
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    I hope you're right. I don't know what to make of Keenum yet, but I'd like to see the guy succeed or fail based on a decent opportunity.
     
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    The decent opportunity comes in training camp and practice for the pre-season games. The games are only to see if the wheels fall off the bus from the impressions the coaches already have.

    Anyway as to the reps Beck got v. Keenum.

    Attempts in pre-season 2012

    Schaub 29
    Yates 32
    Beck 16
    Keenum 16
     
  12. Brisco_County

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    The article you linked provides this quote as well: "I think Case is fixing to be extremely competitive with T.J. and Matt," Texans coach Gary Kubiak says."

    It is well established that Kubiak believes that competition improves all parties.

    Kubiak also stated that he believes Keenum will be a starter in the NFL. He's not going to make that statement, then bury Keenum on the depth chart.

    If Keenum does not win the #2 spot, it would be because Yates beats him. My opionion is that Yates will not be #2 in 2013.
     
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    I would hope that the Texans brass would not make a decision on the most “qualified” backup QB based on a concern over Schaub’s emotional lability or the fans’ bearing pressure, should Schaub falter. If the Texans view the potential performance of Schaub in the upcoming season with any semblance of rationality and preparedness, they will put the man showing the most ability to takeover the reins in the #2 spot............period. If a “circus” ensues, it will be because the Texans F.O. allows it, not because a promising #2 QB is making it up the ladder.



    BTW, the article the OP linked is the same article that began the thread posted last week, Keenum......"Doubt him at your own risk".... http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100128
     
  14. painekiller

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    Wow!

    And if TJ has a spring and summer like last season you maybe right.

    And if this happens, I for one will be disappointed that we did not keep Klein as a guy to develop on the PS.
     
  15. PapaL

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    Having a championship team doesn't put pressure on Schaub (after his playoff meltdown) but having Keenum as the backup would?

    What is Kubiak suppose to say? "Oh yeah our QBs suck, they're not starting material."
     
  16. wolf123

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    Agree Completely!! If he beats out Yates then he needs to get the reps of the 2's. He needs the pressure every week that he's one play away from live action.
     
  17. Hervoyel

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    The only thing that will put heat on Schaub will be losses and his own play (if the former comes in high numbers or the latter falls off even more). Nothing Yates or Keenum or anyone else does will create controversy. The Texans are very good about having their starter (who I am not particularly fond of) and their backups. yes they have a "second string" and a "third string" but I've always felt like the prevailing atmosphere here has been "Schaub's the guy and we're the support cast" and I don't think that's changed any.

    I like Keenum and I like Yates fine too. I want the better player to be the first one of the bench and I don't care who that is as long as he's good enough. I'm not stupid enough to let my Cougar fan get in the way of my Texans fan. There's no need to get all Vince Young fan about this kind of thing.
     
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    'Nuff said. This part of the discussion should actually end right here.
    But...
    if you have some other conspiracy theories on how Kubiak will let media's thoughts or fan whining somehow influence his QB depth chart, I'd like to direct your attention to the little device Agent K (the guy on the left) is holding in his hand. All will be clear in juuust a moment...

    [​IMG]
     
  19. leebigeztx

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    I'm sorry,but Case is not an nfl caliber qb. He has a pop gun arm and is smallish.
     
  20. eriadoc

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    He may or may not be an NFL caliber QB, but your first assertion is untrue and your second is immaterial, as many smallish QBs have done well in the NFL. It is this irrational perpetuation of BS that makes for great message board fodder though, so knock yourself out.
     

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