Thomas Davis ----Glenn Earl

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  1. Wolf

    Wolf 100% Texan

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    I read that some want us to get Thomas Davis in the draft. Yet, I am wondering Why? and yet wondering how Davis and Earl would be compared/contrasted. I admit I didn't follow N.D. when Earl was playing but what I read is that he was a step below Sean Taylor if Earl wasn't injured.

    Thomas Davis bio

    Glenn Earl college bio

    I read somewhere that earl runs around a 4.5 forty.
    and Davis runs a 4.55 forty according to nfldraftblitz.
    thomas davis forty

    just looking a physical size.. Earl (according to the texan website) is 215 and Davis is listed at this time as 230 .. so they are pretty close.
     
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    yes, he should be there, but we have a Glenn Earl, who is the same height and 15 lbs lighter than Davis.. Coming out of college I thought Earl was known as a big hitter also (next to Sean Taylor).

    Would Davis be that much of an upgrade at SS over Earl?

    If Davis and either Rolle or Pacman were available, wouldn't it be better to go with a CB if we were targeting secondary? Just because of age of Glenn and needing a nickelback for a year or two until Glenn retires? Coleman has a few years at FS also..

    or is the mindset of having Glenn and Davis (with one moving to FS) as the big hitters back there (kinda like the Williams/Woodson tandem that the cowboys had for a year until injuries to woodson)?
     
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    been wondering the same thing Wolf
     
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    The biggest problem with Davis is that his weakness is coverage which is why Brown was benched early in the year. Earl seems to better in that area than Brwon and most likely Davis. I like Davis as player, but I don't think he is just short of Roy Williams and Sean Taylor the last two safeties to go that high in the draft.
     
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    http://www.thapack.com/jc_final_2004__safety.htm

    this guy talks about Earls speed. Davis is at 4.55
     
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    the Texans seem pretty smug with the selection of Glenn Earl last year, even though he was not expected to contribute his first year (coming off surgery) he not only competed he started so I doubt Casserly feels the need to select Thomas Davis with that #13 pick.

    DJ has as much chance of slipping as Rolle, the top of the draft has as much ebb & flow as the tide in Galevston. all you can really do is assemble your draft board and rank them as you see them fitting your needs and system maximizing the most talent possible. Thomas may well be on the Texans draft board but there are more desireable prospects ahead of him that the Texans consider more suitable.
     
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    I like TD simply because he is a bigger and seems to be a more physical player, both he and Earl have problems in coverage, but I still thinkTD is the bigger hitter and has the potential to become a better safety.

    Now if DJ and TD are both on the board, by all means draft DJ, and if Antrell or Pac-Man are on the board, then sure take a big time CB. But if I had to choose between TD and Marcus Spears, you better believe I would choose TD.
     
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    :twocents: Earl was also a free safety in college- a position that requires better coverage abilities and ball skills. The move to SS suits his game better.
    Davis is weak in coverage playing SS at the college level, and this will only be exacerbated in the pro game. There are even thoughts about moving him to linebacker.
    We have so many other needs that I feel strong safety is about the least of our worries right now. If we select him, however, I'll just trust the C&C.
     


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    Davis played FS before SS. I don't know about Earl, but Davis played very close to the line of scrimmage, which would have you believe the Georgia coaches had some confidence in his recovery/coverage skills.
     
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    If he was usually playing close to the line of scrimmage, wouldn't that indicate he was being used more as another linebacker in run support?
     
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    Derrick Johnson​

    6'-4" 230 lbs​

    4.5 / 40​


    Thomas Davis​

    6'-1" 230 lbs​

    4.5 / 40​
     
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    Honoring Earl 34 Hey Koolaid

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    :thumbup Derrick Johnsons got the frame to add weight and not lose his speed . Thanks for pointing that out .
     
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    Earl (according to the texan website) is 215 and he is 6'1

    I have seen were he runs a 4.55 forty and another listed a 4.63 forty which isn't much difference and not sure if he bulked to Davis' weight (not that he needs too) how much speed he'd lose

    Would Davis be that much of an upgrade over Earl?
     
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    I like Davis, but not to replace Earl ... to replace Foreman.
     
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    i doubt texans will take Davis, because we don't need him.i predicted Lions to pick him up.
     
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    yeah Sarg, if the Texas draft Davis i think it will be to use him at that Mac LB position (same position DJ would likely play) not at safety, although everyone here that wants him seems to want to play him at SS, doesn't make sense to me.
     
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    Let's not forget Ramon Walker also... I think things look fine at SS...

    Defensive front 7
    Interior line
     
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    the thing about davis is there has been a lot of talk about him making the transition to WLB...he has a very similar body frame as boss bailey up in detriot...or even michael boulware in seattle...he can really play both...but if he runs slow at the combine or in his personal workouts like around 4.6 expect him to move to that linebacker position in which we won't even think about him...casserly and capers are both high on earl so might as well not even think about him...he would be like the worse case senerio for the texans as of right now...personally if spears, barron, or dj are not available when we pick you can bet the house that we will be picking up the best corner available
     
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    Honoring Earl 34 Hey Koolaid

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    :wacko: Why would we pick Davis anyway . I don't believe he's in the same class as Sean Taylor or Roy Williams . Glenn Earl worked his way into the lineup after coming back from knee surgery . A year healthier and playing time under his belt he will be much better . So unless hes the only name who you deem a can't miss why pick him .
     
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    I think Davis is getting overhyped because of the recent Roy Williams/Sean Taylors of the draft...It seems like although their cover skills were questionable coming out, Davis's are even moreso, and he doesn't have their elite speed for his weight. He might have some good knockout hits but if he gives up touchdowns to TEs left and right aka Eric Brown then we haven't upgraded anything and we've lost a first round pick. With our scheme we need as many guys that can cover as possible, we have 7 guys up front that *ideally* should be able to stop the run before it gets to the secondary, so it would make more sense to have strong coverage safeties. Especially so we can send more guys on the blitz. Glenn Earl was known as a big hitter back in college I think, so as he learns the system better and the game continues to slow down some we might see some good hits. He also needs to recover 100% from his knee injury.

    I harped on about Sean Taylor last season, and I think I've learned my lesson. I would take Dunta over Taylor any day of the week now. I can't wait until this message board obsession with Davis ends.
     

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