THE NFL DRAFT MOCK I W/Comments

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  1. Blake

    Blake MMQB

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    Current Draft Order W/Trades and assuming all Jr's come out.

    1 Arizona(f/GB) - Matt Leinart QB

    GreenBay trades out of #1 due to Rogers, and picks
    up Arizona's #1 pick in 2007. Green has never been
    happy with either of his QB's, and gets the best prospect
    to come along in years.

    2 San Francisco(f/HOU) - Reggie Bush RB

    Head coach Mike Nolan has decided to jump up and take what
    he thinks is the best offensive weapon in the draft. Hoping
    that his WR's step up, he goes with Bush to help out his QB.
    Mike gives up his 1st, and 2nd round picks this year, and 3rd round pick
    next year.

    3 Tennessee - D'Brickashaw Ferguson OT

    With their other bookend tackle (Hopkins) going this off-season,
    the Titans are forced to restock with Ferguson.

    4 New Orleans - A.J. Hawk OLB

    mario Williams would be the pick here, if they didnt have Smith,
    Howard, and Grant at DE. So they go for the best OLB in the draft
    to bolster their linebacker core.

    5 New York Jets - Haloti Ngata DT

    The jets really wanted to trade up for Leinart, but dont pull the
    trigger. The jets see how their run defense suffered without Jason
    Ferguson, so they opt for the 6'5" 338 LBS Haloti Ngata.

    6 Baltimore - Mario Williams DE

    A good pickup by the Ravens, Mario can be tried at both DE, and OLB
    like Suggs. He has a monster frame at 6'7" and 285 LBS.

    7 GreenBay - Mathias Kiwanuka DE

    Mathias will have an easy first few years with offenses focusing
    on Kabeer. This will give GB pressure from both sides, making the DT's
    and MLB's jobs easier.

    8 Tampa Bay(f/HOU) - Eric Winston OT

    Gives up their 2005 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, to select the LT from Miami.
    Steusie didnt work out, and Walker had his shot in years past. So
    Tampa rolls the dice.

    9 Miami - Jimmy Williams CB

    Miami has a big drop off at CB, after Sam Madison who will not play
    forever. This is a good pickup, and will solidify the #1, #2 CB spot.

    10 Detroit - Ahmad Brooks ILB

    With Boss, and Teddy at the OLB spots, Ahmad Brooks gives them a solid
    linebacking core. They will probably go with a WR at this spot though. ;)

    11 Philadelphia(F/CLE) - Santonio Holmes WR

    Ding dong T.O. is gone, wich T.O.? The baby T.O. McNabb can be a great
    QB, but he needs WR's who can play, and keep their mouths shut. Gives up
    their 2nd next year, and 4th this year to move up.

    12 Buffalo - DeMeco Ryans OLB

    Finally back in the first round. Feels good. Buffallo gets a football player.
    With all the pieces in place on offense, defense is the only place to go. And
    OLB looks like the weak link.

    13 Minnesota - Marcedes Lewis TE

    It might be a little crowded at the TE spot, but im sure Minn can make room
    for Lewis.

    14 Oakland - Chad Greenway OLB

    Oakland is still struggling to get back to the playoffs. And when BPA is a
    linebacker, its an easy choice for them.

    15 St. Louis - Michael Huff CB/S

    Another easy pick. St. Louis has been looking to upgrade their secondary. And
    Huff can go CB, or S.

    16 New England - Laurence Maroney RB

    You can see what happens to NE, when their workhorse goes down. Even though NE
    would love to take a player like Carpenter, they have to fill a need as well.

    17 Cleveland - Gabe Watson DT

    After clevelands d-line garage sale, the browns have to restock. This is a little
    high for him, but they dont want to trade down, and possibly lose him.

    18 San Diego - LaRon Landry S

    Can play both safetly positions, which is just where the Bolts can use a player.
    He has decent size, and can make plays.

    19 Chicago - Leonard Pope TE

    A big need for this squad. Will be a big target for the QB for the bears.

    20 Houston - Joe Thomas OT

    A monster at times, Joe is rapidly shooting up the chart. With the poor play by
    Wand, Wade, and Riley, the Texans hand is forced, and pull the trigger on Thomas.
    With the trade downs, the Texans have picked up enough picks to counter the 3 years
    of bad trades, and pick selections. ;)

    21 Jacksonville - Deangelo Williams RB

    Fred Taylor is done in my book. Williams will split with Greg Jones, for a great
    one two punch.

    22 Kansas City - Chad Jackson WR

    Still searching for that ever elusive #1 wideout. What a bad year to be doing so.

    23 Dallas - Max Jean-Gilles OG

    Dallas has 2 oldies holding down the guard spots. Im pretty sure one will be done
    soon.

    24 Denver (f/WAS) - Rodrique Wright DT

    Still looking for a few good men, down on that D-line.

    25 Carolina - Vernon Davis TE

    Carolina has been having trouble filling the TE position with a good player. Chris
    Mangum is hurt, and there is no depth.

    26 Seattle - Bobby Carpenter OLB

    A constant need for the Seahawks. Lets hope he can stay on the field a whole year.

    27 Atlanta - Jonathan Scott OT

    A great pick by the Falcons. Mike Vick will be loving this pick the most.

    28 Pittsburgh - Thomas Howard OLB

    Another weapon for the blitzburg Steelers. Might even go higher.

    29 Denver - Vince Young QB

    Denver gambles with their 2nd first round pick, and selects the mobile, but sometimes
    errand pass Vince Young. He will sit for a year or so, and then Denver will give him
    the reigns.

    30 New York Giants - Darnell Bing S

    The giants are a little thin at safety, and could use a player like Bing to pick up
    this secondary.

    31 Cincinnati - Tamba Hali DE

    Still workin on that defense. A good pick this late in round one. SHould benefit from
    Justin Smith being on the other side.

    32 Indianapolis - Davin Joseph OG

    The loses last offseason are felt, and need to be replaced.

    =========================================
    Houston has: the rest of the draft.

    round 1 #20: Joe Thomas OT
    round 2 #34: D'Qwell Jackson ILB
    round 2(f/SF) #40: Marcus McNeill OT
    round 2(f/TB) #52: A.J. Nicholson OLB
    round 3 #65: Orien Harris DT
    round 3 #67: Charles Spencer OG
    round 3(f/SF) #72: Joseph Addai RB
    round 3(f/TB) #84: Skyler Green WR
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  2. WildBlackBear32

    WildBlackBear32 All Pro

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    Really, Really dislike dropping out of the top 10 like I've said before.
     
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    i have to agree i can see trading down 1 time but not out of the top 10 without getting alot more for. For us not getting 1 of the top 3-4 OL in the draft with our o-line is unthinkable. IMO
     
  4. YoungTexanFan

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    joe thomas will not fall to 20 if he declaers, but chances are he wont declare as of this point. Not a bad mock, but i like mine better. You fill almost all of the needs, but with players who shouldnt be the BPA at their respective position.

    Trading down is not a good idea. Take the TOP LT!!
     
  5. beerlover

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    VERY SWEET, NFL. thats even with the Texans winning some games, thats a + +. :)
     
  6. Vinny

    Vinny shiny happy fan Staff Member

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    No way we trade out of the top 10...and no way Young would come out and get picked that late. Nice effort though.
     
  7. threetoedpete

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    agreed, VY Just told the coaches he's coming back. Saw it after the Baylor game. Can't sourse it but it's out there.

    Won't say anything nasty, but Good God aren't we depressed enough !!
    Nice effort, go back to the drawing board. Anything less than an Impact LB
    or a can't miss OLT is a waste of bandwidth.

    ;tomato;
     
  8. Blake

    Blake MMQB

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    You dont feel like he is, or will be one of the top 3-4 O-linemen in the draft?


    I just felt like getting an extra 2nd and 3rd is worth more than Eric Winston.

    Eric Winston
    vs.
    Joe Thomas
    AJ nicholson
    Skyer Green
     


  9. YoungTexanFan

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    i like the idea of trading down, but i dont agree with how you went about it. we dont need to trade down that far, or even close. we should not even trade out of the top 5.
     
  10. infantrycak

    infantrycak Mod. Staff Member

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    Why in the world would any GM worth his salt categorically decide not to trade out of the top 5?--the issue is what is offered in exchange. Funny how folks think the Texans got fleeced by the Titans but act like trading down to far or out of the 1st round is universally a bad idea no matter the price--that just doesn't make sense. By the value chart, moving from #1 to #11 would be worth an extra 2, 3 and 4 this year plus 1st and 2nd rounders next year or some similar package. That would be huge for the development of the Texans--#11 this year (still bound to have an LT available) plus 2 2nds, 3 rds and 2 4ths, plus two 1sts and two 2nds next year. The Texans would be nuts not to do that IMO.
     
  11. Vinny

    Vinny shiny happy fan Staff Member

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    Historically the quality of the player drops off rapidly after the top 10. We traded a late first to the Titans.
     
  12. YoungTexanFan

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    esentually you are saying a team will trade us the rest of their draft this year, and the first part of their draft next year to move up 10 spots? no one would turn that down, but at some time the Texans need to take the sure pick, the best available and not take the risk on the development of another player.
     
  13. MorKnolle

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    I think it looks ok, but in my mind it's too early in the NFL season to be predicting the draft order and too early in the college season/offseason workouts to be predicting most of the top players at positions. I agree with many on here that we shouldn't/won't trade that far down in the draft, and Vince Young, if he comes out, won't fall that far. He will be in the top 10 if not top 5. I also think some of the other QBs coming out will get drafted high, and there are teams that need QBs. Brandon Jacobs from Bowling Green is a top candidate, Brady Quinn (like Young, if he comes out) would be a top 5-10 pick, and there are a few others that will likely be in the first round. It is a QB rich draft and there are several teams that need them (Arizona, Baltimore, NY Jets, Miami, Cleveland?, Detroit?, New Orleans?), many of which will already have relatively high picks to either take the best available QB at or to trade up to get Leinart.
     
  14. Vinny

    Vinny shiny happy fan Staff Member

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    I'll eat my shoes if Vernon Davis is drafted before Young. Heck, Matt Jones was drafted earlier than this projection...not gonna happen. I like DC Rock though....but I don't like this mock.
     
  15. infantrycak

    infantrycak Mod. Staff Member

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    I understand that, I am just thinking of all the spots we need solid help on the team. For example, if we were looking at the 2004 and 2005 drafts for examples of player quality you could be looking at something like:

    2004
    #11 Jon Vilma ILB, Tommy Harris DT, Shawn Andrews T, Will Smith LB/DE
    2nd round Ben Troupe TE, Tatum Bell or Julius Jones RB, Jake Grove C
    2nd round Michael Boulware SS
    3rd round Randy Starks DT
    3rd round Chris Cooley TE, Matt Ware CB
    3rd round Keyaron Fox LB, Travelle Wharton T
    4th round Isaac Sopoaga DT, Kendyl Pope LB, Nathan Vasher CB
    4th round Mewelde Moore RB, Ernest Wilford WR

    2005
    #12 Shawne Merriman
    #24 Chris Spencer C, Luis Castillo DT, Heath Miller TE, David Baas C/G or Logan Mankins G
    2nd round Lofa Tatupa ILB or Odell Thurman ILB
    2nd round Khalif Barnes LT, Eric Shelton RB or Darrent Williams CB

    All of that vs. Reggie Bush.

    I know the talent is higher above #10 but really look just at last year for serious talent that went between #10 and #20--Demarcus Ware, Shawne Merriman, Jammal Brown, Derrick Johnson, David Pollack. Those guys aren't chopped liver.
     
  16. Vinny

    Vinny shiny happy fan Staff Member

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    I agree that if we get a huge stockpile of picks...we should go for it, but we better hit on those picks. I'd rather have one superstar than a bunch of average players (probably thinking of what Casserly will get with those picks)....Call me a Cassery cynic at this point.
     
  17. Blake

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    This isnt a prediciton, its the current up to date order, if the draft started tomorrow.

    Also, its a Mock, which is predicting players at positions, in a order.
     
  18. Blake

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    To be honest guys, if it was me, I would have taken D'brick with the #2 pick, and just hope for the best.

    But i figured we would see how things would go with a few trade downs. expecially since this year is loaded with elite prospects.
     
  19. Vinny

    Vinny shiny happy fan Staff Member

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    mocks are tough to project in November....it's a nice look at some possiblities.
     
  20. beerlover

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    first for those of you who critize & never have tried to do a Mock, Lots of Luck trying to do a better one, for those of you who have you can understand the time and effort involved. I really like it for a couple of reasons-

    1). DC does an excellent job introducing the football fan both new & experienced to alot of talented College football players your just not going to know about this early based on their respective talent and upsides.

    2). View it more in the context of a Draft Board if you will, right now no one knows the precise draft order so who cares? lets get these names out there and discuss them, if you think its too early or premature stay off the NFL Draft threads until after the season, don't post here.

    thank you- beerlover
     

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