The New New JaDeveon Clowney Thread

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  1. austins23

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    Yes....see strip, sack against Indy when they were going in for the score. Last year??
    And also the jumping offside against Indy to let them kneel and not get the ball back to us. So, there's that too.

    I like him but like the majority I wouldn't give him a long term contract.
     
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    Did I miss a credible source related to all of these clowney trade rumors?

    Seems like wishful thinking to make up for a dull free agency coma.
     
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    Why does Clowney have to be compared to Mack except for contract if that? He was listed as #1 off season free agent before tag and if traded should bring very significant offer or no trade. If traded he should be replaced this draft with a similar type player. IMO, any GM wanting Clowney will look at what he brings not what Mack is doing elsewhere because they will not be getting Mack.
     
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    Yeah, if you want to get that 4th year in where JD only played 9 games.

    Last 3 years it's 34 - 24.5 in sacks, 53 - 39 TFL in favor of JD. Mack 66-59 QB hits.

    Last 2 years Mack 23-18.5 sacks, JD 37-25 TFL, JD 42-40 QBH.

    Easy to pick and choose stats to make an argument.
     
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    I guess in comparison it's much easier to ignore Clowney's injury history and games lost to injury than to point out Khalil Mack has only missed 2 games in 80 starts.
     
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    Seriously? Clowney as injured??? Compare healthy years. Clowney is the better player and if it weren’t for our lousy secondary and the way we use them Watt and clowney wouldbhave significantly better numbers.

    When you play your DBs 10 to 12 yards off the LOS it allows offenses to consistently do quick passes taking opportunities away from DL to make plays.
     
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    Man I want rac gone. Wish he would retire. Hopefully we get some CBs that can press and he will use them right.
     
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    Begs the question, why didn’t Texans just select Mack or Donald over Clowney :clown:
     
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    Yeah, he got off to a slow start because of injury, but his health the last 3 years I think has surprised even you. And you still chose to include an injury season 4 years ago to skew your stat comparison. So there's that.
     
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    The way Clowney and Watt have been used is directly related to their history of injuries and surgeries, especially the type of their injuries...............and in attempts to protect them from extending their injuries, and prolonging their careers.
     


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    What begs that question?
     
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    That's a good thing right?
     
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    I have posted several times that I have been impressed how well Clowney has done after his serious knee surgery. It's easy to forget the numerous injuries he has dealt with since, including surgery on his opposite knee as well and a back problem the beginning of the last season and a recurrent groin problem (post previous bilateral sports hernia surgery) the latter portion of last season. However, the question of value relates to the future. No surgeon would argue that Clowney is not on the clock.
     
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    Yes..........unless you don't care about prolonging their careers.
     
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    I'd easily take Mack over Clowney. I'll give Clown the win on run defense overall, although he also over runs plays at times. But he also makes some serious splash plays in the run game. But in the modern NFL it's a pass league. I'll take the impact pass rusher and just ok run defender player over the impact run defender and just ok pass rusher.

    Outside of play against the run, give me Mack on most of the other categories - much better and more consistent pass rusher, better health by far over his career, and stays on the field. Most important of all is that Mack is a much smarter, headier, and more disciplined player.

    You can take it to the bank that Clowney will go completely brain dead in very key situations multiple times per year.

    If he stays and they sign him to a LTC, I'm not going to cry in my soup. I'm not at the run him out of town on a rail mode...yet.... but my strong preference is to find a willing trade partner, and get something of value for him while he is still considered to be in his prime.
     
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    But i thought you said what they were doing was prolonging their careers?

     
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    That's exactly what I was saying in both posts............TRYING to prolong their careers.
     
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    But it's a good thing unless you don't care? So they care?

    edit: Sorry Doc, I must be drumker than I thought
     
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    :overreact:
     
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    Huh?
     

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