Texans_Chick: Texans are not a “run first team”

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  1. Playoffs

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    Steph with an in depth look at the Texans' offense balances run/pass, dispelling some common myths. Great read! :texflag:

    Texans mythbusters: The Texans are not a “run first team”

     
  2. eriadoc

    eriadoc Texan-American

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    There are no run first teams in the NFL. Insofar as there are running teams, the Texans are probably top 5 or so.
     
  3. thunderkyss

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    Great read as always. I followed the link to Sage Rosenfel's explanation of the offense..... good stuff



    Some good stuff from TCs article

     
  4. disaacks3

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    That's the part that's hard (conceptually) as a fan when we don't see an audible. They simply aren't desinged for it as much.
     
  5. The Pencil Neck

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    Yeah.

    In Soviet Kubiak. Play Changes Self!
     
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    Soooo... when a play doesn't work that means someone didn't see the open guy or didn't pick the right cutback lane...right?

    I mean, if we've called a run and the defense brings nine guys up, I just don't see the advantage of not checking into a quick slant to A.J. or O.D....

    the mind boggles
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    You're assuming that isn't a potential option on the play...without yelling out signals. :kitten:
     
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    You're making a huge assumption that just because the base play is a run that the reads can't morph the play into a pass. From what they've said about the system, that's part of the play design. Of course, they've also said that when there's a lead and the other team is loading up the box, they believe they can run on those fronts AND that's when they can pop long ones.

    But back to the original point... Remember a few years ago against the Seahawks when AJ scored on that great pass on the 2nd or 3rd play of the game? IIRC, that was a called run BUT when they read man-to-man on AJ, they shifted the entire play to a pass. That was part of their game-plan for that game, whenever the Seahawks go man-to-man on AJ, make them pay.

    The whole thing is that it doesn't have to be a big production to shift from one play to the other.
     


  9. paycheck71

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    Peyton Manning takes offense to this. :) But I honestly do wonder how many times he doesn't even change the play after all that pre-snap action.
     
  10. The Pencil Neck

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    I think a lot of it is just for show, trying to get into the defender's heads and make them change their defense to something less aggressive or to make them overthink what they're reads are.
     
  11. steelbtexan

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    Arian Foster carried the ball 351 times last yr, but the Texans aren't a running team. LOL

    On a side note Gary will be starting his 8th yr as HC. How many more yrs does he get if his team doesn't improve in the playoffs? !0-20 yrs?
     
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    As far as I'm concerned, as long as he's putting a good team on the field, he's getting a chance. He can even have a few off years here and there.

    I hate the swinging door, no-patience FO approach to coaches.
     
  13. thunderkyss

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    Matt Schaub threw the ball 544 times.


    LOL

    If we get trounced by the Patriots again, even in the regular season, he should be gone.

    As a matter of fact, Bob McNair should have had a long talk with Kubiak on that plane ride home ("talk" being a euphemism).
     
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    The Texans had the 4th most rushing attempts last season and 18th most pass attempts.
     
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    8 yrs is hardly a swinging door approach.

    Seems as though you may be a Kubiak HC for life kida guy.
     
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    & the 7th rank offense.
     
  17. infantrycak

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    And all four of those teams went to the playoffs.

    The list of HCs who have been fired after 3 straight playoff seasons (your scenario) is very short. Even Shottenheimer doesn't qualify. Maybe you can supply some names where doing so has worked out well for a team.
     
  18. Texan_Bill

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    Whoa!! WHOA!!!

    Are we suggesting that the Texans DON'T run the ball first? (Although I will concede that on occasions, they have to go the other way)....

    The Texans feature their running game to exploit the passing game, irrespective of what the stats are in comparison..


    It's a passing league, no?

    Most defenses are set up to stop the pass, yes? Those teams are suspect for the Texans running attack.

    There are some defenses built to stop the run.... That's when 'Dre and hopefully "dre jr (aka DeAndre Hopkins) and OD run wild on they asses!!!



    BOTTOM LINE... Run first team!
     
  19. thunderkyss

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    I've never seen it that way. Points come out of the passing game, we score a lot of points. We have a back-up QB as a head coach, back up QBs like to throw the ball....

    We throw the ball to get the lead & run the ball to keep it.
     
  20. infantrycak

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    Bottom line Houston is a balanced attack team. Here are the top 4 rushing teams last season.

    Seattle Seahawks - 405 passing attempts, 536 rushing attempts - 43% passing.
    Washington Redskins - 442 passing attempts, 519 rushing attempts - 46% passing.

    Contrast:
    Houston Texans - 554 passing attempts, 504 rushing attempts - 53% passing.
    New England Patriots - 641 passing attempts, 523 rushing attempts - 55% passing.

    Run first teams don't put up over 4000 yds passing year in and year out.
     

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