Texans vs. Eagles Matchups

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  1. WorthlessBum

    WorthlessBum Rookie

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    instead of all you dunce eagle fans dropping in to announce how the eagles are going to whip the texans this week -- how about throwing out some valid reasons why....and the response "im here to inform you the eagles are gonna kick butt because im a BIG eagles fan and its my job" is stupid nonsense that shouldnt be allowed to take up space on these boards.

    for example, i would argue the texans have a great shot at winning this game because --

    the eagles have reworked the 23rd rated dline from a year ago, but what about the LBs behind them?? save trotter, this unit could be exposed against a texans team that ran pretty well in the pre season. knowing that they are facing a solid secordary, it wouldnt surprise me to see the texans come out and try and run alot against the eagles, while picking their spots against a usually blitz happy eagle D, no matter how good the secondary, if the oline can give Carr a few seconds of protection, i like johnson and moulds to be able to find some spots to make plays.

    that being said, the eagles arent very scary on offense. honestly, eagle fans better hope for big things from stallworth and reggie brown, because andy reid hasnt shown much faith in the westbrook running attack (last year the eagles were primarily a pass first offense --- what does reid have against westbrook?? sure the guy is a good receiving back, but i think he can run as well). additionally, the texans showed a pretty stout defense in the preseason and the new 4-3 defense could give some real trouble to the eagle offense. it wouldnt surprise me to see a lot of david akers in this one.

    to me, all of that adds up to a game that should be a close one, with both teams having things they "need" to do in order to win. being a texan fan, i like the texans chances on running against the eagles and being able to exploit johnson and moulds in man coverage. i also think the defense has shown enough promise in the preseason to think that they can keep the held down to a couple of fgs and a touchdown. if so, a 1-0 start wouldnt be a surprise.

    id really like to hear from some eagles guys as to "why" they think they can/should/will win, but please, try to be objective and factual...

    thanks,

    W. Bum
     
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    Yeah What he said. :spy:
     
  3. eagle.randall

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    Maybe your rookie LT getting blown up all day by Darren Howard and Broderick Bunkley all day. Carr will be running for his life.

    Stop with the last year stuuf. Both of our teams were bad last year. We were injury riddled and our backups didnt perform. You guys should have won more games than you did, but.............You have new players, new coaches, and a new scheme. We have new players, and hopefully a new scheme. Don't compare us to last years Eagles, just like it would not be fair for us to compare you to last years Texans. Your teams has improved, but David Carr has not. I live in Houston, so I see everything on tv and in the paper. Carl Dukes on the new morning show on ESPN 790, said he predicted that the fans would call for Sage to start instead of Carr by halftime in the Eagles game.
     
  4. texflex513

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    I think the key to our offense rolling is going to be the blocking of spencer at LT and the blitz recog of lundy, if those 2 play well then the offense will roll. Philly's d line is one of the best and their secondary is above average. The 3 things i worry about from philly's O is the bomb to stallworth the dump off to westbrook and mcnabb scrambling around the place. Our D should provide a good run stopping effort, and we will win this game. GO TEXANS!!!!!!!
     
  5. ItsAJtime

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    Texans should win because of the excitement level and noise.

    I will admit, I watched about half of an Eagles pre-season game and McNabb was on target and the offense looked unstoppable. That scared me with our secondary being questionable.

    We must be loud Sunday to help our team. It will be close. I hope we win 17-14. Wait that is what I predict, I hope we win 27-0, so I won't be woried all game.
     
  6. TheOgre

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    I'm still convinced that Kris Brown deliberately shanked those two kicks late in the season.
     
  7. E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles

    E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles Rookie

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    although i usually can never use preseason to back up arguments, i feel that this is a preseason stat that is worthy of using. The Eagles sacked opposing QBs 21 times...that is 5 more than the closest team behind them with about 1.2 sacks per game more than the closest team behind them. The Texans gave up only 4 sacks during the preseason which is a major improvement from last year. I believe this has to do with the new blocking schemes Kubiak has brought in with the added addition of the many QB rollouts. I do think that Philly's D Line is one of the quickest in the league with Howard and Kearse in their that they might be able to contain Carr but it'll be tough with how the Texans line is playing. Our secondary, when healthy, as you may or may not remember sent several players to the pro-bowl 2 seasons ago and probably should have had 2 CBs in that year. Last year they were a bit battered along with the rest of the team.

    Houston has notched 10 sacks this preseason (~2.5 per game) while Philly has given up 12 (~2.4 per game). This game will be won in the trenches.

    Also someone mentioned our LBs...although they are the weak spot on this defense (if there is one) you can't underestimate one of the best runstoppers in the league with Trotter. With the D Line that the Eagles have its gonna be tough to block Howard, Patterson, Bunkley, Kearse, AND Trotter to get into the secondary. Look at a preseason game with a comparable D line in Denver and you'll see that your first team offense put up only 6 points while throwing a pick and running pretty ineffectively.

    I think it will be a closer game than I would like to see but I still see the Eagles coming out on top. With a healthy team in their our offense has to many weapons beit Brown and Stallworth on your CBs, LJ out in the flat, or Westbrook out of the backfield, not to mention McNabb's legs. Again, it will come down to who plays better in the trenches.
     
  8. texanfan2100

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    Are you really asking Philadelphia fans to be intelligent? :ok:
     


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    Well comments like this one don't help.
     
  10. WorthlessBum

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    come on? carr will be running for his life from a guy in howard who has averaged 6 sacks a season over his career? please. based on what -- his 4 sacks last year? the guy hasnt played a full season since 2002. howard might be a quality player with talent, but he's no simeon rice. and ill go ahead and disregard the fact that you suggested carr will be running for his life from a rookie who held out for 16 days of camp. a rook has to prove something before you make statements like that. the eagles should be worried more about stopping the run than chasing carr.

    the last year comparisons i made are completely fair, what upgrades did the eagles make at LB?? hopefully trotter will continue to play well and not lapse into his form with the redskins. adding howard and the rookie bunkley may help the dline, but neither can be called superstars which validates that they still have questions from last year.

    the texans on the other hand brought in a coach who has a proven record with getting the most out of his QBs, and has mike sherman (a prior head coach with a career winning record) helping him reshape a formally dismal offensive line. on defense, changing from a 3-4 to a 4-3 on defense can only be a positive thing for the texans defense, while the eagles didnt really upgrade the offense much except for picking up stallworth to go with brown. who are the eagles going to use on short yardage situations? are they going to run the ball at all?? those are some serious questions from last year that really haven't been answered.

    when you add all that up, things look a lot more promising for the texans than they do the eagles. and btw, i dont live in houston, so thankfully i dont have to hear nonsense about the fans calling for sage by halftime...looks like 790 hired bufoons to compete with the dummies over at 610....i love houston and wish i still lived there, but the sports radio is horrendous.....hee hee, the fond memories i have of matt jackson, john grenado and the biggest dunce in radio -- jeremy foster....ugghhhhh!

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  11. HOU-TEX

    HOU-TEX Ah, Football!

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    Nice post. I agree to your statement "it'll be won in the trenches". I've said that a few times the past week or two. I still will not predict who's going to win due to the fact we are green. In other words, we have yet to gel as an offensive unit. The defense looked good but I don't think our secondary was truely tested. I'm at least hoping to see us come out and play a good game and possibly pull out a win.:twocents:
     
  12. WorthlessBum

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    hey -- reread my post, i give all the props to the eagles secondary, i think it might be the strongest part of the team. the only think about judging numbers from preseason is i think you really have to look at the first team versus first team numbers and forget the rest. i dont know how the eagles numbers might look after that, but my point would be that buckley is a rook who is done NOTHING in the NFL, howard is solid and kearse just isnt the player he once was. of all of them, kearse has the most potential to make some noise, but i also think that the LB corps behind that line is very suspect....if the texans are able to run the ball, carr wont have to be running for his life. and having a threat like moulds will only help johnson.

    as far as the preseason game against denver, lundy averaged 4.4 ypc on 10 carries. had the first team played the entire game....who knows how it would have turned out.

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  13. Honoring Earl 34

    Honoring Earl 34 Hey Koolaid

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    Howard has the advantage against the pass but Spencer will hurt him on running plays . This is one big , strong , and mean rookie ... don't be surprised to see Darren going backwards . God help him if Spencer falls on him .

    Buckley could'nt beat out Travis Johnson at FSU . I believe this is advantage Texans .:wild:
     
  14. PhillyFan

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    Im going to give several valid reasons as to why the Eagles will win this game convincingly.

    1. The Texans O line may have a new scheme, and may be reworked, but the Eagles defensive line is nasty. Howard is on a mission it appears, and Bunkley appears unblockable. When you look at our 4, who are you going to double team? All 4 are worthy of it. If the Eagles end the game without 5 sacks, 5 hurries, and 5 tackles for a loss, I would be shocked.

    2. The Eagles offensive line is a wall of meat. Brag all you want about Mario...yes, he will be a hell of a player...but Willie T is no slouch when it comes to defending superstar ends. Neither is John Runyan, who regularly matched up against Strahan twice a year for the last 5 or so years. If the Texans do decide to blitz, I do think the Eagles slot receiver will be able to catch a hot slant rather easily. Jason Avant has hands of glue...I cant believe the balls he has caught.

    3. The Eagles linebackers are a trememdous weakness. Trotter is great...the other 2 suck. But I dont think that will be a liability against the Texans, because I think we will see a lot of nickle sets with Trotter and Barber at LB.

    4. Mcnabb. McNabb in the regular season is money. He now actually has a few weapons he can rely on...and the ability to hit Stallworth 40 yards downfield on the money is really going to keep your secondary honest.

    5. Special teams. Its a very underrated part of football. Our special teams has the ability to start almost every drive for us at the 35. And our coverage units have the ability to hold you guys tight on your returns.



    Anyone want to debate these points before I move on? And dont homer it...these are honest points, as I see them. Im not being snooty or bragging at all.
     
  15. eriadoc

    eriadoc Texan-American

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    I am optimistic by nature, so I have felt that the Texans have a shot at winning versus the Eagles. I figured I would take a look at why I felt that way by looking at the matchups. I think my spirits have been dampened somewhat, but coaching and scheme count for a lot, as does home field advantage (be quiet when the offense is on the field please!).

    Anyway, share your opinions.

    QB: Carr v. McNabb - I haven't been a big McNabb fan over the years, but the Eagles have the clear advantage here. Carr might actually be a little more mobile and his bootlegs will help the running game, but in terms of passing, McNabb is clearly better. This isn't a Carr thread, so I'll leave it at that.

    WR: AJ/Moulds/Walter v. Brown/Stallworth/Baskett - clear advantage for the Texans here, IMO. Stallworth just joined the Eagles and will require some time to adjust tot he QB and scheme, though he can still run a fly well. Brown is still relatively unproven and Baskett is a rookie that came out of nowhere.

    RB: Westbrook/Buckhalter v. Lundy/Morency - If Westbrook is healthy, I think this is about even. Lundy and Morency haven't proven anything yet, but the potential is there. Westbrook is a dynamic all-around back and Buckhalter is the big back they've been wanting him to be for a couple years now (he's their Joppru). The factor that makes this even, IMO, is scheme. In the past, Reid has thrown the ball quite a lot. The Eagles always talk about running the ball more, but when McNabb's in there, they throw a lot. Our team has a good scheme and is committed to running the ball. Westbrook might end up with better numbers than either of our backs, but I think our total rushing game will be better.

    TE: LJ Smith v. Putzier/Owens/Daniels/Joppru - LJ Smith is a top-notch TE and the Eagles script nearly as many plays for him as they do for Westbrook. Our guys are used quite a bit by Kubiak, though we don't have one individual standout. With the gameplan that Kubiak has shown throughout his Denver years and during the preseason, I'll give the edge to the Texans.

    Eagles O-line v. Texans D-line - Tra Thomas, Shane Andrews, and Jon Runyan are very good linemen. Mario Williams and Travis Johnson are unproven and will have their share of growing pains. Payne is a solid, proven vet and Weaver is a good lineman. Babin and Peek off the bench may pull this one a little closer to even. If we can keep pressure on McNabb, we stand a good shot at taking the game. If this O-line neutralizes our front four, it's going to be a long day. At this point, I have to say edge to the Eagles.

    Texans O-line v. Eagles D-line - Kearse and Howard off the ends will be as formidable as any opponents we will face this year, IMO. Spencer will be thrown into the fire and Wiegert hasn't really impressed me much this preseason (FWIW). The Eagles have their own talented rookie project in Bunkley, but he doesn't start. The bootlegs will help the Texans, but edge to the Eagles.

    LB: Ryans/Orr/Greenwood v. Trotter/Jones/McCoy - Another unit where we have unproven talent. Ryans will be a good football player, but he will undoubtedly have some rookie moments this year. Some games will be better than others. Who is going to cover LJ Smith? We've been very bad against TEs in the past; I'm hoping this group can step it up this year. Orr has a high motor and Greenwood is fast, but I am still waiting to see what we paid for. I've heard some Eagle fans complain about Dhani Jones, but I think he's still a notch above anyone we put out there. Trotter is a solid vet. Edge to the Eagles.

    Secondary: DRob/Sanders/Brown/Earl v. Brown/Sheppard/Lewis/Dawkins - I think most would say this is the biggest weakness of our team. Most teams we play this year, if not all, will have a better safety duo than we will. Robinson still makes plays, even when they're not spectacular, but he has no real help on the other side. Sanders has stepped up, but I think everyone would feel better if he were a nickel or dime back. The Eagles d-backs are smaller, but as we know from watching Robinson, that doesn't always matter. Dawkins at safety is the caliber of player I'd like to see the Texans have someday. Edge to the Eagles.

    Kicker: Ours misses a lot. Akers doesn't.

    Punter: Ours has had more practice than anyone in the league over the last few years. I like him a lot :)
     
  16. real

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    Why did you do OL vs DL but for all the others you went position vs position ? just curious...
     
  17. El Tejano

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    The one good thing we can grab about our group is the thing that we all have been saying all year.

    Each one of these guys will have earned their position.
     
  18. eriadoc

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    No good reason. I give the edge to the Eagles either way. They have a better O-line and a better D-line, at least on paper. Hopefully, our guys prove themselves and we look better on paper soon!
     
  19. TexansLucky13

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    Communism is also better on paper. But we know how that worked out.

    On paper, our team does look good. The problem for 2005 was the Dom Capers liked to shred those papers. The problem for 2006 is that ESPN likes to hide those papers. We will soon be avenged.
     
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    Not too bad of a study on our team.
    But I need to throw out the fact that Westbrook is Healthy and Bucky is back to pre injury form. This is a huge deal regarding our run game. (We would have won the NFCG in 2001 against the Rams if Bucky hadn't got injured before the 1st half.) With both Bucky and Westy healthy I think the Eagles have an edge here. Although it's not known what impact Ron Dayne will have for you guys. If the Eagles dictate the game you will be forced to pass anyway, negating a decent run game.

    Also at Tight end LJ Smith was having nothing short of a pro bowl season before D-mac was hurt. It's just my opinion but I think LJ will suprise you guys with his level of play.

    I think the LB play may be a push other than Trotter, this is deciving though because if our front 4 are getting penetration it's gonna make the LB play look better than it is. This is clearly the most concerning area of our defense. Week one is hard to say we may see McCoy really step in well but we'll see. I would say a push on this.

    Receivers I would agree that on paper you may have an edge but I watched Moulds in the KC game and he looks like he may have lost a little step, he looked good across the middle, but I think he gets his bell rung on sunday. we really don't know how Stallworth will mesh in week one so I would have to agree with you, although I don't believe it's a huge edge. Mcnabb will throw to 10 or 11 different players and his passing yards will exceed Carrs.
     

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