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Texans Trade for Duke Johnson

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  1. TheKDog

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    @GrahamBarfield: These teams targeted their RBs on early downs (1st and 2nd) most often last season:

    1. Patriots - 33%
    2. Lions - 31%
    T3. Lions - 29%
    T3. Saints - 29%
    T5. Giants - 28%
    T5. Raiders - 28%
    T5. Jaguars - 28%
    T8. Bears - 26%
    T8. Panthers - 26%
    T8. Seahawks - 26%
    NFL Average - 22.5%
     
  2. infantrycak

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    Link? Not you, Barfield.

    Not looking real credible. 10 teams listed all way, at least 4% over average.
     
  3. TheKDog

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    Pats at 33% seems crazy high to me too though James white did get 87 receptions. I assume it's his own data
     
  4. xtruroyaltyx

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    Oh I agree.

    Especially since two of your top three receivers were hurt and you were relying on rookie TEs and the line was bad.

    Vet player like Miller who is better in space.

    He probably should have had a lot more targets.
     
  5. steelbtexan

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    With Duke on board I bet rb targets go way up.
     
  6. Lucky

    Lucky Moderator Staff Member

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    Pats use the short passing game like a running game. Similar to how Bill Walsh did with the Niners, and the Bengals prior to that.
     
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    Part of the long term pass protection strategy last year was for the rb's to chip before they went out. You also know the spread is less effective when your #2 & 3 WR's are out with injury the majority of the year. Apart from that, the chipping strategy was ineffective as a long term strategy mainly b/c the o-line was so bad that by the time the rb's came off the chip, DW4 was already running for his life. Got worse when Fuller went down. Aside from that, Teams blitz the dog hell out of you when you try to leak the rb out like that & make them huge parts of the passing game like that. Their goal at that point is to force you on the offense to keep him in for pass pro. Brady & co. got away with it.....well, b/c he's Brady....& also b/c they had Gronk working the middle of the field & he drew alot of attention by MLB's. To blitz 1 or both of the MLB's was to leave him 1 on 1 with a LB or a safety neither of which is a favorable match up......Plus, you know, their o-line is better.

    Chris Carter discusses the defensive strategy here on undisputed.
     
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    Just a thought, but is it possible that they had their sites on Johnson from the get-go and knew that's who they wanted? Maybe that would explain why they did not make a move in the off season...maybe behind the scenes, this WAS the move they were making.
     
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    Shame we didn't set our sites on him from the get-go of round 3 in the 2015 draft..
     
  10. maverick512000

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    Don't see it, they put to much work into Foremen to be planning on cutting him and bringing Johnson in. I like the move but I think it was very much a 'Geeze this guy sucks just as much now as he did before, we can't go into the season like this. Johnson is unhappy with Cleveland and wants out, call'em up and see what they'll take for him and have security throw Foremen out on his ass."
     
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    Just as probable as well...I would think that they would know that though by now, or maybe they did and only tossed Foreman aside when that pretty when they knew that the deal for DJ was pretty much a done deal. Just speculating...
     
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    After 2 games, Duke has:

    -15 rushes for 88 yards
    -4 catches for 33 yards

    Worth a 3rd round pick?
     
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    Spending a 3rd for a backup RB I was never a fan of, but my biggest fear was this staff misusing him. Duke Johnson is outstanding in the pass game yet he has 4 catches for 33 yards in 2 games.

    Some will say they have a new direction now. Looks like the same ol crap to me. Don’t care much what a player’s strengths are, you do it my way now.
     
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    To be fair, Duke has messed up a little bit on the field. Week One saw him out of position on a handoff that resulted in a busted play. Week Two saw him out of position on another on, but the play was salvaged. Then there was the potential TD throw where he turned around too early. It's pretty clear the talent is there, but he's made some mistakes that have cost him in the production department, and probably in the trust department.
     
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    Duke continues to be under used in the passing game (2 receptions for 22 yards) but ran well
     
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    Incompetent coach has no idea how to use him.
     
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    So far you'd be losing that bet!

    After 4 games he has 8 rec for 77 yards. TWELVE targets in 4 games.

    See above response. OB has no clue what to do with this guy.

    See above response about him having no clue. At this point all I can do is smh. WR's and RB's wide open all over the NFL, but not this team. Maddening.
     
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    If OB had a clue, when the running game was struggling against Jacksonville, he would have used Duke in the short passing game. In the Panthers game, instead of sending him out wide on a safety, he should have kept him in the backfield and giving him more option routes against slower LBs. That's the Patriots' way.
     
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    They tried that a couple of times.

    Watson just struggled last game.
     
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    You could have stopped right there.
     
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