Discussion in 'Texans Talk' started by TexanSam, Mar 25, 2008.
another former bronco...
Exactly, consider him signed.
Personally, I don't care where he's from. If we can get above-average safety play with some depth by hiring nothing but rodeo clowns I'm all for it.
Additionally if we can get some decent safety depth and then target other areas in the draft I'm all for that, too.
Smokescreen for the draft?
and another STRONG safety...
in all seriousness though, I don't think it can hurt. We do have CC Brown and Glenn Earl that I think are more than sufficient at SS. I'm fine with bringing in Ferguson is he's paid to be the backup he will be.
I'm interested to see how some of the young guys like Brandon Harrisson are developing. I havn't really seen him play (practice or at Stanford). For those that have, will he be in the SS mix or is he a viable option as a FS for us down the road?
I could see this signing happening with opening day roster of CC Brown & Harrison @ SS Demps & Ferguson @ FS.
Glenn Earl is an unrestricted free agent next season, think his status is on shaky ground, not sure how much dead money or cap savings if released outright?
Ferguson's play showed a down turn in 2007 after having suffered an 2006 season ending knee injury which required surgery. The Broncos have taken the direction of essentially youthening their safety position. It's interesting to note that he was nicknamed "train wreck" while in NFLE when he mowed over one of his own team mates on his way to a tackle................sort of gives me flash backs of Spencer........
I think we all need to reevluate the safety position for this team.
I'm not sold on the fact that Kubiak and Co. feel the need for one safety to be the designated in the box guy and the other to be the centerfielder type. I think they are looking for a pair of safeties capable of playing both roles equally well.
Now is this the right idea? I have no idea, but from looking over the past signings and draftings of safeties I'm starting to think that we the fans do not have the good of a grasp on what the coaches want from the SS and the FS.
You are right for the most part. There are a handful on this sight that understand that the Texans are running a combo safety package where effectively the safties play both positions. So there isnt neccesarily a designation of FS or SS in this system that is why Brandon Harrison was a smart pick since that is the system he ran in college. And also why there is no chance(IMO) the Texans take Kenny Philips in the draft.
Up to last year, our safety play has been relatively poor, especially the free safety play. There has not seemed to have been a priority to fixing that position ( we had so many other holes ). But if you look at how Smithiak is approaching things, they're always looking for 2-fers............ie., versatility.
I see this as no exception, if they are out there to be gotten.
Interesting theory and reason number 459 why I love this board: Intelligent people with intelligent thought processes.
Anyone ever get the feeling that our D Coord. sucks?
Apparently you do. What did that have to do with the post you quoted. This is not the first time you have popped a 1 liner in a tread like this. Sub par safety play thru the first part of last season and the previous 5 had alot more to do with talent level than it did the DC employed by this franchise.
I'll definitely agree with pretty much all of this-nice post. I'm still wanting a ballhawking FS that can either deflect the ball in the air or intercept it instead of what we have now, but am slowly realizing that's not going to happen. Demps, imo has been a big improvement. I constantly saw him get to the WR as the guy was catching the ball. It'd be a catch if Demps didn't hit him... but i'm still wanting a guy that can get there before the WR even touches it- outlook is doubtful.
I was big on LaRon Landry last year over Reggie Nelson for the fact Landry was excellent in run support and tackling, where I was not fond of Nelson. This is when I thought the staff really valued the tackling issue over pure ballskills- in both safety and corner play. Moot point since Landry was selected before us and we got Amobi This is also why I think Mike Jenkins would not be a good fit for our team- he's one of the worst tackling CB's in the draft (or at least of the 1st round talent).
I also think that the coaching staff doesn't place a lot of value in the safety play. By that I mean investing a high draft pick in one. I think Phillips actually fits into what this staff likes in a safety. I think Phillips would probably have better cover skills than most on our team. Supposedly he's suited more for SS on most teams but for a team like ours he could be on the field because of the guys we're trying to go for. I'm not trying to say I want Phillips to be the pick at #18, but just saying he ties more into the kind of safety we're actually looking for than a pure cover safety, imo.
This means Jason Simmons is not coming back? I liked J.Simmons, he could play multiple positions.
So did I. Same with Hutchins which is why i wondered why they let him go. But Rick knows what he's doin....
I think guys like Simmons and Hutchins are nice for a building team; far as versatility is concerned.
Moving forward I expect to see less of guys like that around.
Anyone interested in this guy in round 4 if we end up with a 2nd round? Note that as a CB he is also projected as FS/KR as alternate position. Has size and speed. With LT, RB and CB in rounds 1,2 & 3 I can lean towards T.B. as a backup FS and CB.http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=32938
Maybe I understood wrong, but I disagree with our defensive scheme being built around our safeties being interchangeable...
Maybe the type of guys they want in those positions is not what most fans envision, but I think our FS and SS have defined roles...
Anything less would be uncivilized.
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