Texans Recievers vs early 90's Oilers Recievers

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  1. LBC_Justin

    LBC_Justin All Pro

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    I like our current team.....but these guys were magical. (Maybe it was Warren Moon and a sick O-Line. Maybe it was the fact that we passed every down in the run-n-shoot. But I loved every one of these guys.)

    Haywood Jefferies (pro bowl 91', 92', 93')
    Ernest Givins (pro bowl 90', 92')
    Drew Hill (pro bowl 88', 90)
    Webster Slaughter (pro bowl 93')
    Curtis Duncan

    (*Time Machine Fantasy*) I would love to bring a few of these guys in their prime to the Texans to compete for the #2 & #3 receiver positions.

    How do you think our current squad of guys would compete against these old school guys. I think Andre Johnson would still be a stand out.



    P.S. I hate Bud Adams and I am glad he is gone.
    GO TEXANS!!!!
     
  2. HJam72

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    I'm gonna say:

    1) Johnson
    2) Jefferies
    3) Slaughter (I'm countin' his Browns days too to put him over Givens)
    4) Givens
    5) Hill
    6) Every body else...

    I'd put Slaughter over Jefferies as the #2 for this team though. I think he'd be a perfect #2 for us.

    That O-line was WAY better overall than what we've seen so far and yes it made a big difference, but you have to remember (not saying you didn't) that Moon was a better QB than Carr has been--SO FAR. We're thinking and hoping that will change.
     
  3. Lucky

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    In his 1st 3 years with the Oilers, Moon threw for 40 TDs & 59 INTs, 54% completions, as the Oilers went 13-35. Try comparing apples to apples.
     
  4. HJam72

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    Actually, I meant Moom at his best vs. Carr so far. Sorry, I should have specified that.

    I wasn't comparing Carr to Moon is his first 3 yrs. because I couldn't remember Moon's output back then ,but yeah those stats certainly make Carr look good.
     
  5. Lucky

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    It should be noted that it was Moon's 4th season when he had his breakout season. Warren threw 21 TDs to 18 INTs in 12 games (strike shortened) and led the Oilers to a wildcard berth.
     
  6. Double Barrel

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    Moon played with the CFL for several years, too. Plus he wasn't a rookie on a BRAND NEW TEAM with no experience, behind a line that gave up the most sacks on one QB in NFL history.

    I have fond memories of the Run&Shoot days, but that's that. They hever got over the hump, and the design of their offense would never allow it (no TE or FB on the roster?!? + can't control the clock by nature of a lack of a running game).

    As far as the question: I'd take our WRs today. Mainly because AJ is that good! Pro Bowl in his second season?! On a team that has never had a winning record?! OH YEAH!! :thumbup
     
  7. Bear

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    Two names:

    Mike Munchak
    Bruce Mathews

    Our O-Line was SICK, even with Brad Hopkins at LT ;)
     
  8. Huge

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    Yeah but even his "breakout season" included just a 50% completion percentage.
     


  9. TheOgre

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    I didn't think Moon really got going until 1988 and beyond. In 1987, didn't we go 2-1 in scrub games against 2 playoff teams? We likely wouldn't have made the playoffs until 1988 if it hadn't been for the scrubs.
     
  10. El Tejano

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    Ernest Givens was by far the best hands down. Johnson makes me forget though.
     
  11. Vinny

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    Stats are very deceptive when it comes to football and it's hard to define players with raw stats like you can in baseball. Moon was a dynamite QB in a failed trick-bag offense (chuck and duck) when he was with the Oilers. He was much better at finding secondary receivers and reading defenses than Carr has shown to be so far. I don't think much of Jeffries, but Hill and Givins were dynamite little WR's.
     
  12. donbmt

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    Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Jeffries the 1st Oiler to have 100 receptions in a season?
     
  13. Vinny

    Vinny shiny happy fan Staff Member

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    Yeah, but he was the WR1 in a gimmick offense and he was good for about 11 ypc. He wasn't anything special. The slot guys really made that offense work. All Jeffries would run were those little outside routes.
     
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    100 catches was a big deal then, but now it seems pretty commonplace. Just an observation.

    I spoke too soon, last year only Tony Gonzales had at least 100 (102), I guess it's not that commonplace.
     
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    Vinny shiny happy fan Staff Member

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    It's nearly 7 catches per game, so it's a heck of a pace.
     
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    LBC_Justin All Pro

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    Ernest Givens ---> 5-9, 170 lbs
    At that height and Weight it must have been really fast or he wouldn't have been in the league.

    Drew Hill was also short 5-9.

    Anyone know their 40 times?
     
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    He wasn't that fast but he was lightning quick and had fantastic body control. Givins was electric after the catch. Hill is 29th all-time in the NFL with 634 catches.

    All-time leaders

    1. *J Rice 1549
    2. C Carter 1101
    3. *T Brown 1094
    4. A Reed 951
    5. A Monk 940
    6. I Fryar 851
    7. *M Harrison 845
    8. L Centers 826
    9. S Largent 819
    10. S Sharpe 815
    11. H Ellard 814
    12. *J Smith 792
    13. *I Bruce 777
    14. J Lofton 764
    15. *K McCardell 755
    16. M Irvin 750
    17. C Joiner 750
    18. A Rison 743
    19. *M Faulk 723
    20. *R Smith 712
    21. G Clark 699
    22. T Mathis 689
    23. *K Johnson 673
    24. H Moore 670
    25. *T Owens 669
    26. O Newsome 662
    27. C Taylor 649
    28. *R Proehl 641
    29. D Hill 634

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/misc/rec.htm
     
  18. utahmark

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    the offense made most of those guys. givens and jefferies did nothing after they left the oilers. duncan was also a product of the run and shoot. slaughter and hill were pretty good with other teams. hill had the best hands of any of those guys.
     
  19. Vinny

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  20. Lucky

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    Charley Hennigan had 101 receptions for the 1964 Houston Oiler team.
     

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