Texans random thought of the day

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  1. Speedy

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    Great talent can be coached up. Mediocre talent, not so much. Julie’n Davenport will never be a Duane Brown no matter how great of coaching he gets.

    Im in no way saying coaching doesn’t matter. It absolutely does. And coaching can take mediocre and put them in better positions to succeed, which is why teams can be successful without having All-Pros all over the place.

    But you're acting like talent doesn’t matter as long as there’s great coaching, and that’s just not true.
     
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    I am not suggesting that at all. I know there are quite of few levels of talent in every stage of the game. Starting from pee wee all the way up to the pros. None of us can really predict these players future like that. Davenport can go to the Patriots and become all pro, just like that. Both Brown and Solder got huge pay days playing in the Patriots system. Ole buddy that went to the Cowboys performed much better than he did as a Texans. Kelemete played a helluva lot better as a Saint verse here in Houston. I can go on and on but you get my drift Speedy.
     
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    Playing better and looking better because of a system are 2 different things. For example, the Patriots allowed the 3rd fewest sacks last year and didn't have a single OL who has ever made a Pro-Bowl. The Patriots have a system where they aren't required to be stacked with top end talent along the OL, but they do have to have some talent which is why guys like Brown and Solder get paid.

    And I'm not even saying the Texans need to stack the line with Pro-Bowl players, but they do need guys who would actually be 1st teamers on other teams. That's their problem. They have an entire unit of backups. Being so bad that the subpar talent you have is starting doesn't mean you have starting talent. And coaching isn't going to make that better.

    Way, WAY too often someone on the Texans OL is getting obliterated before the play can get going. Belichick can't even out-scheme that. You don't have to have all All-Pro talent all up and down the line, but you do need more than the backup "starters" the Texans throw out there.
     
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    That's because the lack of communication and continuity going on there. Every year the line is being changed, add in the injury factor as well.


    That IMO is coaching 101. They really don't build that up in preseason like they suppose to. Those boys suppose to be out there on the field in the 1st 3 preseason games for at least a half in each. Especially when you have a bunch of new starters in the mix.

    Are we not trying to mimic what the Patriots are doing? Are we not bringing in all these ex coaches and ex players from that tree?

    Why are you calling them backups when they came here and won the starting job. I really do not get that train of thought. There are a lot players who started as a backup and became a starter at some point in their career. The coaching staff here thinks they're starters.
     
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    Even though I agree with everything you said I still think a smart, capable coach should try to scheme around talent deficiencies. Where are the quick slants or how about a moving pocket. Maybe even the occasional bootleg. Anything to get rid of the ball quicker and cleaner.

    To me it seems that O'Brien can't accept the fact that his OL is substandard and change his game plan accordingly. A good coach should have an accurate assessment of the abilities of his players.
     
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    Speedy I do however understands your point of view.
     
  7. steelbtexan

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    Yep, the sign a bunch of backup fa ol plan was a fail.

    Let's hope the drafting a bunch of small school guys and putting them with the backup fa ol will succeed.
     
  8. steelbtexan

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    It's hard to do these things with basically a rookie QB that's coming off of an acl, then suffers a punctured lung.
     
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    How many of those guys became great ol? The coaching staff thought so much of those guys, they drafted ol in RDS 1-2.
     
  10. Texansballer74

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    A lot of them. Go look it up
     


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    Watson always keeps it exciting for me. Even his rookie season.. those 7 starts were amazing. I basically turned the season off after he went down.
     
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    Look at starting LT's
     
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    No, but every WR in the entire league minus a handful can't be another Hopkins either.
     
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    Not really
     
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    “Watson could very easily turn into Carr,” eh? I’m almost willing to bet the house on that NEVER happening. First off, Watson lit it up as a rookie behind a very similar offensive line as DC until the ACL rupture. He then comes back and has a great season with awesome stats, behind a maybe even worse offensive line than the one he played behind his rookie season. Watson is (from reports) a very hard working, self critic, smooth, determined, and extremely competitive QB that doesn’t get phased by anything. Something DC NEVER even came close to!

    Now, I agree that the O-line is a complete joke and that just isn’t going to cut it if we want to ever even reach an AFCCG, as a Super Bowl is out of the realm of possibility behind the garbage they trot out there in Sunday’s, trying to pass as an offensive line.
     
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    Let him keep getting major injuries and we will see


    Agreed
     
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    Watson has already outplayed Carr. I agree that Carr got screwed by the Texans, but he certainly did himself no favors by being the last in and first to leave. The only thing Carr earned in the NFL was a backup job because he was trying to be a good family man instead of an NFL QB who has a family. He never had the drive and competitive nature to thrive in the NFL. Watson is the polar opposite of that.
     
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    Agreed, but with Watson's injury history he's headed down the same path,
     
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    And if that does happen, we can still argue over whether he was intrinsically injury prone no matter the line, or that the line was the problem.

    Or OB, or the Texans, or the Houston Curse.

    This sh!t will keep us busy for years. :lol:
     
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    Kelemente

    Fulton

    Henderson

    I think most of us agree Fulton proved to be a true starter. I personally don't know what to think of Henderson after three snaps, but the Texans have doubled down on him (at the same time drafting two guys who could replace him).

    Davenport. I think he's still developing. I don't think he'll develop into an All-Pro, but I'm optimistic he can develop into a starter.

    But yeah. Even though there were times Watson held the ball too long, far too often there was immediate penetration.

    It will be interesting to see how the Texans man the OL. 1st rounder Howard, 2nd rounder Scharping, 2nd rounder Martin (who I've already given up on), 3rd rounder Rankins, 4th rounder Davenport, Fulton, Henderson, Kelemente...
     

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