Texans random thought of the day

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  1. thunderkyss

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    The league year runs from March to March. IMO, coaches need to be focused on the on the field product from March through January. Then from January to March they should be working with the scouts working on the personnel side.
     
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    Texans to hold part of training camp in West Virginia
    11:05 AM CT
    • Sarah BarshopESPN Staff

    HOUSTON -- For the first time in team history, the Houston Texans will hold part of their 2017 training camp away from the team’s facility in Houston.

    On Thursday, the team announced that they will train for at least part of the summer at The Greenbrier in White Sulphur Springs, West Virginia. The Texans have not announced how long they will practice there.

    Last week, owner Bob McNair said they were considering the facility because of how hot Houston gets in August.

    “One of the issues we’ve debated from our first day here is what the effect of the heat and humidity is in training camp and whether that puts our team at a disadvantage by staying here,” McNair said.

    The New Orleans Saints have spent their training camp at The Greenbrier for the past three seasons.

    “We are thrilled with the opportunity to hold training camp at the Greenbrier,” general manager Rick Smith said in a statement released by the team. “It’s a wonderful place and the facilities and climate combine for an ideal environment as our team trains, bonds and prepares for the 2017 season.”
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    But I thought that the Texans made it clear in the past that they could make real men out of their players by exposing them to the most extreme hot temperatures and dehydrating sauna conditions so that they could get one up on other teams and better meet the challenges of playing most of their opponents...........................in the difficult critical environments of their airconditioned palatial enclosures.................:toropalm:
     
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    OT Jeff Adams is now a Jet.
     
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    Right, and this silly no-tampering rule (which is what started this discussion) says teams can't interview prospective F/As except in that 2 or 3 day window right before free agency officially starts.

    When you say you disagree, are you saying the current rules allow plenty of time for a proper evaluation by the applicable coaches for all the prospects a team might be looking at?
     
  5. thunderkyss

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    It's my understanding they still can't interact with the player in that 2 or 3 day window. They're allowed to actually talk numbers & structure with the agent.

    My take is that we didn't have to sign Osweiler on day one. What was the rush? There's still plenty of time before the first team OTA to work out a deal. As "stupid" as the rule may be, it appears the Texans wanted Osweiler no matter what.
     
  6. ChampionTexan

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    I don't think there's any doubt the Texans wanted him no matter what, but it's a careful what you wish for, because you just might get it scenario.

    I compare it to trying to sign a visiting free agent before he leaves the facility because once he moves on to the next visit, your chances of signing him diminish. The difference with Brock was that in the Texans perception (and admittedly most everyone else's), the prime competition was the Broncos, and since they had previous, current and ongoing access to Brock, striking when the iron was hot was determined to be the best option.

    I didn't fault them for either the signing, or the specifics of how the signing went down at the time, and I'm not going to make a hypocrite of myself and ***** about it now. Yeah, someone with the Texans should be held accountable, but I'm not going to just sit back and say "It's not my job to make those determinations, so no opinion that I might have expressed previously matters any more (although the reality is that no opinion on this board really matters ever - as much as some of us have convinced ourselves that they do).

    I also acknowledged that Brock may not be the long-term answer, but he was the best option at the time, and I liked the way the contract was structured.

    I honestly didn't count on him being worse than what we had in the 2015 season, and frankly couldn't even conceive of that happening. Perhaps the Hoyer wild card game debacle was still too fresh on my mind, and it overshadowed some of the closer to average QB play we saw at times during that season.

    My rule of thumb is that the clear majority of signings during the first wave of free agency are going to end up as dumb signings, but that's not because you can get the same players during the second or third wave, it's because it's harder than most folks think to determine how a change of system and working environment is going to impact a players performance. Even now I think that Brock was going to sign very early in free agency, and if there wasn't an offer with the Texans he was willing to take, he was going back to the Broncos. It was relatively easy to rationalize my rule of thumb and say it's different with a quarterback, but it's not - it's just a matter of whether you're good enough, or lucky enough to be able to overcome the odds, and in this case...well, you know.
     
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    I completely agree. My responses have been to the "stupid rule" aspect. I don't think it's a stupid rule. It is the rule that's been in place for a while, and actually has been relaxed to make it easier for teams to poach FAs before FA actually starts.

    I think it depends on how you look at it. I don't believe he was worse than the FitzHoyerMallett thing. Just different. He didn't produce as much as those guys but he's a different type of QB all together. While Fitz & Hoyer can make things happen when a play breaks down, they weren't particularly good at it. Brock, like Mallett, can't. Or at least hasn't been able to since he's been here.

    He's a drop back rhythm passer & if things aren't there when he's expecting them to be there, the play is pretty much over. Whether it's him reading the wrong thing, his receivers reading the wrong thing, his protection not holding up, or his receivers not getting open, those are the things that need to be fixed for him to be successful. & if he can, or if O'b can, find a way to be more consistently successful early on, it'll buy him the time & the room to work the pocket.

    Right now, as a DC I know if I can pressure him for 2 seconds my chances of winning that down is very high. Either the protection won't hold, or the coverage will hold, then we got him.

    I agree. What I don't know though is that Brock isn't a good fit for what O'b wants to do. For all I know, he knows all the answers in the meeting room. For all I know, he knows the playbook backwards & forwards. It may be that there is a disconnect between what he "knows" in practice vs what he demonstrates on the field. But without being in that locker room, it's hard to say.

    I will say in the play offs, he was more demonstrative communicating to his receivers what he expected. When they were coming back to the huddle, he would make a hand gesture saying, "You were supposed to go that way..." or something to that effect. Or when he screwed up the, "That one's on me." gesture. & then the tantrum he threw on that last interception, you know he was expecting Griffin to be somewhere he wasn't.

    That's not to say I think the Texans got it right with Osweiler. I don't have enough information to say that. If they were to make him a June 1st cut, I won't lose a bit of sleep. If they make him our opening day starter I won't pull my hair out.

    But there was a lot of things that didn't go right for the Texans offense in 2016. The play calling was not what you'd expect to get a rhythm passer into a rhythm. & when they got him in rhythm, they looked like an NFL team. The run game looked like it was designed to run up the middle. Even when we saw yards & yards of uncovered field to the sideline, our RBs would turn it into the teeth of the defense. Our receivers aren't very good at getting open & it didn't look like we "schemed" them open very often. When we did... looked like an NFL offense.

    The OC is gone. May have been scapegoated. There have been other changes to the offensive staff. Maybe they'll find a way to make this look like an NFL offense more often, more consistently.
     
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    Free-agent kicker Nick Novak hopes to stay with Texans
    By Aaron Wilson, Houston Chronicle

    With his one-year contract now expired, kicker Nick Novak says he would like to return to the Texans.

    Novak's performance warrants a raise considering how he stacks up against other NFL kickers. He has made 93 percent of his field goals inside 50 yards over the past five seasons and connected on four of seven kicks from 50 yards or longer last season.


    Nick Novak emerged as arguably the most valuable player on the Texans' struggling offense last season as the veteran kicker helped propel them to a second consecutive AFC South championship.

    With Novak booting a franchise-record 35 field goals and tying for second in the NFL with Philadelphia Eagles kicker Caleb Sturgis for the most field goals, only Baltimore Ravens Pro Bowl kicker Justin Tucker made more kicks with 38 field goals on 39 attempts.

    Novak converted 16 consecutive field goals late in the season, including making all five kicks and having five touchbacks during a pivotal December win over the Indianapolis Colts that helped the Texans win the division again.

    Now that his one-year, $965,000 contract has expired, Novak is a pending unrestricted free agent who prefers to remain with the Texans.

    "I want to be back," Novak said recently. "I'm really proud of what we've done, and I'm excited to be back with the same guys. I really feel like I can help the Texans get to where they want to go. I leave it up to my agent and the personnel department to get a deal done.

    "I don't know what kind of progress is being made, but it's all positive. I've heard some really good things from (general manager) Rick Smith, (coach) Bill O'Brien, (special-teams coordinator) Larry Izzo. We'll see what happens."


    Near top of the market

    Over the past two seasons, Novak has made 48 of 51 kicks inside 50 yards for a 94-percent clip. That trumps other free-agent kickers, including Robbie Gould, Steven Hauschka, Phil Dawson, Greg Zuerlein and Connor Barth. During that span, Novak has made all 18 kicks from 20 to 29 yards and all 17 from 30 to 39 yards. He converted 12 of 15 from 40 to 49 yards to rank second to Gould.

    New England Patriots Pro Bowl selection Stephen Gostkowski is the highest-paid kicker in the NFL, playing under a four-year, $17.2 million contact. Over the past five seasons, Novak's statistics closely mirror Gostkowski's from under 50 yards. Gostkowski has superior numbers from 50 yards and beyond where he has made 16 of 19 attempts while Novak has converted 12 of 21.

    Among the average compensation per year for other top kickers: the Dallas Cowboys' Dan Bailey earns $3.24 million, the Carolina Panthers' Graham Gano $3.1 million and the Buffalo Bills' Dan Carpenter $2.487 million.

    Novak has established himself as one of the top kickers in the league.

    "I've really got to give all the credit to my teammates," said Novak, referring to holder Shane Lechler and long snapper Jon Weeks. "We have a great unit and cohesiveness building the last two years. I had a lot of opportunities this season, more than I've had in my career before. The more I get to do my job, the happier I am. My mentality has always been to be a good teammate and to win games. I just want to do my part.

    "Overall, I think it was a very solid season. From what the coaches told me, they thought I did what they asked me to do. I'm really happy with the production on field goals. Of course, you can always do better. I want to make more kicks from 50 yards or longer. It wasn't perfect. That's always the goal. I just love to compete and be with a group of guys trying to win a championship."

    Sharing knowledge

    Novak plans to train in San Diego for the next few months before the offseason training program launches in April. He wants to work on his repertoire of different kickoffs.

    Novak also plans to start kicking again earlier this year because his leg feels good. He will devote some time to tutoring younger kickersa and passing on knowledge about technique.

    He still spends time talking with retired kickers like Matt Stover and John Carney to pick up tips. He talked this week with Indianapolis Colts kicker Adam Vinatieri.

    "We've become really good friends over the years," Novak said. "I've got so much respect for him.

    "I've always tried to pick the brains of the other kickers. They've got so much knowledge."
     
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  12. PapaL

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    Things that stood out:
    WFV has talent. Needs to put in serious work this offseason.
    Nuk is a monster.
    More passing highlights than I remember but they're all plays made by the receivers and not "OMG" throws.
    Defense wins championships but you need a semi-capable offense to go with it.

     
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    He needs his head checked. He'll be 32 in June and has been the eptiome of a journeyman NFL players.

    Previous Salaries:
    2016 - 1.4M (HOU)
    2015- 1M (HOU)
    2014 - 1M (NYG)
    2013 - 715k (KC)
    2012 - 700k (HOU)
    2011 - 555k (HOU)
    2010 - 470k (PHI)
    2009 - 385k (PHI)
    2008 - 750k (PHI)

    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/quintin-demps-3693/cash-earnings/


    To me he's probably in the right area, 1.5-2M. If he thinks he's anywhere near the top end then lol and let him walk; he'll be back. League average for SS is $3M (604k - 8M)

    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/strong-safety/
     
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    I dont think he wants nor expects to break the bank. I have seen him in interviews where he just wants a multi year deal. He has worked his entire career one year year deals.
     
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    Give him length he wants but no guarantee after year one. He reminds me of Larry Bird always being in right place to get rebound (INT).

    On Novak, any bets on Texans Ka'imi Fairburn best college kicker in college with excellent stats..even better costs?
     
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    I had completely forgotten about him!

    Draft Profile in case anyone else needs a refresher: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/kaimi-fairbairn?id=2555374
     
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    His College Stats remind me of Novak's NFL stats..........................FG money <40 yds, significant drop off 40-49, hold your breath 50+ (despite a single 60 yarder)
     
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    Kickoff is what concerns me. Would he be consistent enough to drop it around the 5 or have enough leg to get it to the back of the endzone?

    Has powerful leg but hang time is average. Hopefully his redshirt year pays off.
     
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    This article published last Aug caught my eye both now and then. It should go somewhat towards answering your questions.:


    Ka’imi Fairbairn: Making Or Missing The Cut

    August 19, 2016 4:33 PM By Garret Heinrich
     
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