Texans promote TE coach Tim Kelly to be the OC

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  1. Max

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    I think they should do the telephone game with every play. BOB whispers the call to Yates who whispers it to Kelly who relays it to Watson. Maybe it will turn into a good play by the end of the relay process.
     
  2. Texas Jake

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    I think with the right additions and a little bit of luck, this team could make it to the SB next year. Fix the CB position and this defense becomes a top 5 defense I think. Fix the o-line and this offense becomes legit.

    I think Watson takes a big step forward in his progress this year, especially with the new QB coach. This year was good for him in that he learned he can't go for the homerun on every play. If our wr corps can stay healthy, this offense will be explosive. I think the potential is there for a very big season.
     
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    Seems like O'Brien is impressed with animated presentations. My PowerPoint and presentation skills are strong. Maybe I should send my resume with an embedded PPT.
     
  4. Texas Jake

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    BoB was impressed by his grasp of the game, confidence and ability to speak competently to a group of senior coaches. After hearing his story, I am curious how he will do as an OC. He comes from the defensive side of the ball, but has primarily coached on the offense. You can look at his defensive background and say he is a defensive guy and doesn't know offense OR you can look at his defensive background and say he really knows defense and will be able to attack it on offense. From the article he sounds like a bright guy. Hopefully that equates to he will become a good OC. I have no expectation one way or the other (if he will be good or not), but I will wait and see before pronouncing judgement. I hope he turns out to be the next great offensive mind (and not just offensive on offense).
     
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  5. EllisUnit

    EllisUnit Serving Koolaid

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    Well based on this I guess I should make my gardener my electrician..... lets see how that works out :boogereater:
     
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  6. maverick512000

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    Personally I think this was a way for BoB to kill multiple birds with one stone. BoB clearly likes the kid and wants to mentor him and likewise BoB also, right or wrong, still wants to do the job of the OC and be the primary play caller. With this change BoB is able to give the kid a promotion and his break in NFL coaching, sure all of us will agree your first job in any industry is the hardest to get, while also mentoring him and teaching him. At the same time BoB can continue to be the main play caller without having the kickback that an experienced OC might give him. The fact that now he can point and say "look we've hired an OC" is just the cherry on top.

    I really don't think this is them get ready to have a scapegoat or a plan in place when it all fails, seriously some of you must think the Texans are the damn Legion of Doom with all the evil masterminds you think are in that place. I think this is BoB seeing a chance to help out a kid he likes while also following through on what he believes to be a winning plan. I can almost guarantee you that after every game they will be sitting in the film room and BoB asking him "What play would you have called here." or "What did I see that made me call that play." Typical mentor/student stuff.

    Now my personal feeling are I don't really care for the job BoB has done as OC and I don't like that the Texans are the training ground for the new coach. Everyone has to get their start somewhere but you may not want it to be your business they get that start in. I would feel much better, as of this posting, if he was getting his first OC job for say the Jags or Colts. Who knows though, the kid may turn out to be a natural at it and after proving himself BoB turn the job fully over to him. I don't think that will happen but then I didn't think Watson would be setting NFL records his first full year either or that we would have a winning season in 2018 so yeah there's that.

    All in all though its done and nothing said here will change it so all we can do is hope for the best and brace ourselves for the worst.
     
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  7. Texas Jake

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    Not a fair comparison. More like a power-line worker who becomes a residential electrician.
     
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  8. Texas Jake

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    The collaborative play call can work, but you have to have one person who is definitely in charge. The outside input can be good and help prevent the play caller from becoming blinded by their tunnel vision. One person has to be steering the ship, though. If it is play call be committee, that is not going to work.
     
  9. maverick512000

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    I always envisioned this really only working if it went something like this.

    Play caller: "I'm calling X play, you guys have 10 seconds to tell me something you saw that makes that a bad idea. If not then I'm calling it in."
     
  10. JB

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    When OB said it was a collabortive effort, I don't think he meant play to play every play. The collabortive part comes into play when game planning. They agree to which call should be made for specific down & distance as well as score and clock situations. It's not easy being a NFL HC regardless of what many on this board think
     


  11. steelbtexan

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    I dont recall this kind of uproar when Kubiak promoted Lil Shanny to OC and Kubiak called the plays Lil Shanny's 1st yr as OC.

    Fact is because it's BOB some on this MB aren't going to like who he hires regarless, even though last yr with a crap OL BOB's offense scored more points than any in franchise history, save one season.

    BOB is going to be calling plays again this season whether some on this MB like it or not and he should be after finishing 11-5 with the lack of talent on offense he had to work with. Kelly will help with game planning and halftime adjustments etc... as it should be for a 1st time OC just getting his feet wet.

    Fix the OL and get another WR that can stretch the field and then I've got a feeling people will be happy with the offense. Well atleast some people some posters will be happy. Some wont be happy regardless of what happens.

    Can you imagine if BOB had called the pass plays Payton did in NFC championship game? This MB would have gone crazy. Even though it was the right call with Greg the Leg being able to kick 60 + yd FG's.
     
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    Little Shanny grew up at the knee of an offensive mind and with Elway & Kubiak as older brothers. There is no comparison.
     
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  13. ArlingtonTexan

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    yes, but BOB is hardly unique in this sort of internal (or even external) hiring of someone w/o lots of experience to be OC, especially this year. Sort of in the water at the moment, for whatever the reason
     
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    Don’t think lack of experience is the issue. More so that the experience he does have has been mostly defensively and his offensive resume isn’t all that.

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    After saying that I feel the need to also say I don’t care who OB hires. I don’t think he’s going to lead this team anywhere regardless.
     
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    Does that make it OK?
     
  16. JB

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    Don't even compare the two. Kubiak came in here as a proven SB OC and multiple SB offensive mind and Kyle was known to be 'aligned'. And lots more to being OC than calling plays
     
  17. ArlingtonTexan

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    Not for me, but I have been critical of the comfort over qualifications method that the Texans have executed for more of the important hires than not.
     
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    I don't like it because it's still OBs offense, which hasn't been all that for 5 years.

    And you keep bringing up the 2nd most points thing. You do realize they were 18th in offensive TD, right? And 2nd most points was still 11th in the league.

    Need a FG? Can't beat an OB offense for that. Need a TD? Can't help you there.
     
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  19. TheKDog

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    They were actually 15th in offensive points per game and 20th in offensive TDs per game.

    The only reason it's the most in team history is because the league has changed the rules and there's a lot more scoring now.
     
  20. sandman

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    What is the timeframe of "now"? There are definitely more individual teams that saw a scoring rise in 2018, but not sure that translates league-wide trend spanning multiple years. 2018 was only the second time that the league average was over 23 points per game. The only other time was in 2013. 2017 was the lowest scoring season in a decade.

    Outside of 2018 and 2013, the fluctuation over the last decade has been +/- 1 point range (21.7 to 22.8).

    I'm not calling OB an offensive genius, guru or anything like that. BUT, in a league where the total average increase over the last 4 years has been 0.5 points, he has increased the Texans scoring average 5.2 points. So it can be argued that the Texans scoring has improved because of more than an uptick in overall scoring around the league. That being said, we were starting with a fairly low bar so everything is taken with a grain of salt. Remember I'm not advocating him for being enshrined in Canton for is play-calling. But to say the only reason the Texans had the most points in team history is because everyone is scoring more these days, then we are either not looking at the data correctly or translating a league-wide one year blip in scoring as a trend or baseline.
     
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