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Texans Pass Rushing discussion

Discussion in 'Texans Talk' started by TheKDog, Jul 17, 2019.

  1. Earl34

    Earl34 All Pro

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    Agree. With a healthy Clowney, I know Mercilus' role has changed, but the same way we move Clowney and Watt around, couldn't some coaching creativity do the same for Mercilus? Some fans might consider this blasphemy, but I don't feel Watt, Clowney and Mercilus bring the unrelenting, consistent and ferocious pass rush that you expect with their reputations. They have these individual games from time to time or even great individual seasons, but as a unit, they seem to lack something or Romeo and the coaching staff don't seem to creatively mix 4-3 and 3-4 fronts to maximize their talents.

    Also, I still don't feel Clowney has been able to take advantage of his physical attributes. The guy is 6'5" and has a 6'11" wingspan yet he always seems a second late to the QB. Why isn't he using his hands and wingspan better to get to the QB to force fumbles and incompletions? Too many times it appears if he would only reach out when closing in on the QB he would be even more disruptive.

    Finally, with all of his physical attributes, Clowney just does not seem like a smooth football player. He doesn't seem as coordinated as a Vonn Miller or other elite pass rushers.
     
  2. Uncle Rico

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    but making those two statements "JD should get his money, AND Mercy focusing on being a pure pass rusher" shouldnt be mutually exclusive, actually they should be the plan of attack if you really want your defensive front 7 to be the best it can be. Romeo Crennel employs 5 DBs almost all the time- his alignments become very creative when you can line up Clowney at any position on the defensive front and actually let him play the amoeba/elephant position and look for mismatches. JJ Watt is a LDE - thats what he is, thats where he gets his money. He hardly bounces around anymore. Put Mercy on the other side with a pure pass rush mentality and allow JD to roam- you still have your 5DBs and a coverage LB with 3 down linemen.
     
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  3. Uncle Rico

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    Uncle Rico Pro BS'er

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    dude even if you were to assign the other 300 snaps that you say are missing in space to the position of LB is still ridiculously one sided? Or will you debate that too? OKAY 729 snaps a DE and 333 at LB .. hmmmm something still seems off? Jesus Christ.
     
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    infantrycak Admin & Mod Staff Member

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    Given that source's snap total & LB snap count are grossly in error STOP PAYING ATTENTION TO THEM AT ALL.

    Duh!

    You find something that erroneous you don't keep using it. You see a book that says 2+2 is 7 would you cite it for 3+3 being 11? Of course not.
     
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  7. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Pro BS'er

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    well you can start sending the correct snap counts to all the media outlets in the nation whenever you get some spare time.
     
  8. thunderkyss

    thunderkyss It's good to be me... again. Staff Member

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    New York was able to put together a heck of a pass rush with Strahan, JPP, & Umenyiora so you'd think so.
     
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    The Texans have tried this. Wasn't great. JD just isn't a 100% every single play guy. He has a very limited bag of tricks and relies on natural talent, rather than honing his skills in the offseason. I'm cool with your junior GM sucking his dick, but me and my GM will play a little harder to get.
     
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    JD was reported to be at a pass rushing camp this off-season.
     




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    That's cool. Doesn't mean his sacks will increase.
     
  12. thunderkyss

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    I like JD. I hope he'll become the player we drafted him to be. But I agree with you. He's being compared to Mario Williams. But Mario Williams "almost good seasons" came with Jason Babin & chopped liver on the other side of the line. Clowney has Watt...

    I can't imagine anyone paying Clowney to be their primary pass rusher.
     
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  13. TheKDog

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    Tweet from @riversmccown: One of the basic Week 1 plans against J.J. Watt on four-man rushes was to have Larry Warford help set Erik McCoy's man, have Ramczyk cover the outside on Watt, then have Warford come over to bump him. https://t.co/VfoFIvF1RO
     
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    Tweet from @riversmccown: Whitney Mercilus interception: One of the few plays of the first half where the Texans actually brought Watt in to the inside and got him matched against rookie center Erik McCoy.

    Got a little pressure despite the three-man rush. https://t.co/lWXYrz6LPO
     
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    Texans pass rush ? What pass rush ?!
     
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    I know his body probably can't take the pounding anymore but I always thought he was better on the inside where Wade played him.
     
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    https://twitter.com/brandonthornnfl/status/1171876504726396929?s=21

    Going to need JJ to have a good season.
     
  18. mws

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    Here's a trivia question.

    What receiver caught Ryan Mallett's first touchdown pass?

    Answer: JJ Watt caught a two-yard pass for a touchdown.

    Ah, the good ole days. Mallett & Watt. What a great offensive combo.
     
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    I don't wanna take too, too much away from Ramczyk, any good job is a legit good job against Watt. But 3-step drops versus 3-man rushes 40% of the time allowing for additional help ... sh*t, going to need to give JJ a hair more support than that for a good season.
     
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  20. ATXtexanfan

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    And he will see more if this against the qbs the texans will play

    Throw in that gonna be playoff football.

    Best qbs in league make a living that way. Watt will get his but this pass rush isn't what is needed to win in playoffs. Hopefully the defense will evolve
     

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