Texans look for more from Okoye

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  1. Wolf

    Wolf 100% Texan

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  2. Texan JBZ

    Texan JBZ Da Sip's Finest

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    I agree that Amobi played his best game of the season against the Bengals, but he needs to pick it up big time. Mario was light years ahead of Amobi at this time last year. I'm rooting or Amobi, but he needs to start showing the fans of Houston more than he has shown so far.
     
  3. Wolf6151

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    I like Amobi and feel that in the long run he'll be a good player with some maturity and experience but it's obvious he was drafted way to high, I have to say that at this point in his career he's a bust. When your drafted #10 in the 1st round your expected to make an impact on your team and be a starter for years to come, not be a project. I guess the real blame lies with Smith and Kubiak, you draft project players in later rounds cause they're not that good and you give them time to develop, not #10 overall. I don't understand a guy that's 21 yoa. and can't play the hole game, in his second season in the league he's already having to be pulled so he can rest and then put in on passing plays. Maybe we should blame the strength and conditioning coach for that, a 21 yr. old athlete should be able to play the hole game. I think given time Amobi will be a good player in a couple years.
     
  4. beerlover

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    Amobi Okoye seemed half a second late from making several sacks which means he is compressing the pocket & causing QB hurries. so I'm expecting a lucky break or two that translates into sack #'s :)
     
  5. spurstexanstros

    spurstexanstros Texans Rising

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    Anything....can we get anything from this guy ...some tackles some batted balls..pressure up the middle. We have to have some expectations from a guy who wanted 14 sacks this year. At least put more than an arm tackle on a qb about to run in the endzone and we might be 4-3 right now.
     
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    2nd year players who have started every game are not busts.
     
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    Its not his condition thats the problem, they take him out because he's not strong enough against the run. And yes teams do take players in the draft with high potential. Its not kubiak and smith fault!
     
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    Hmm, apparently he's come off the bench for two games.

    Still. Too early to slap bust on him.
     


  9. Wolf6151

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    noxiousdog and wolf123, I guess we'll just have to disagree. Maybe bust is too strond of a word, big disappointment. To me a player taken #10 overall should be a pick that's a no brainer, obvious, a starter in every game and play the whole game, he should be a difference maker someone who steps in and plays at a high level. Wolf123 you really make my point for me.

    Its not his condition thats the problem, they take him out because he's not strong enough against the run. And yes teams do take players in the draft with high potential. Its not kubiak and smith fault!

    Why would you draft a player #10 in the 1st round that can only play half the game. If he can only play the passing downs and not the run then he's obviously not ready to be a 1st round pick. I understand that teams take players in the draft with high potential and hope that one day they'll be a good starter but you draft projects in the 3-7 rounds. You draft obvious starters in the 1st round that can play the whole game. I think that if Amobi was a 3rd round pick he'd be fine cause your expectations aren't as high. If he's not strong enough to play the run then why hasn't he been working on an NFL level strength and conditioning program for the last 1.5 yrs. I think Amobi will eventually be a good player in a couple years but I don't understand drafting projects in the 1st round.
     
  10. nunusguy

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    I'm reluctant to buy this story about AO being too young. Didn't Mario come into his own last year in his second season when he was just 22 ? In other words only a year older than AO is now. And AO may begin to be consistantly productive before this the end of his second year, or his productivety may end up being closer to that of another DT, Travis Johnson, who the Texans shouldn't have used a 1st round pick on ?
     
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    I've always thought that Amobi was a 'project' player, one who has great potential but will take longer to truly develop.

    Unfortunately, we are not a team that should be picking project players at this stage of development. We need impact players, like DeMeco, who can immediately contribute and make an impact. Well established teams who are already successful and absorb project players and the longer time it takes to develop them. We are just not that kind of team at the moment.

    But all that being said, I think Amobi will turn out to be a good pick in the long run. I think his upside can be molded into a solid DT, and hopefully more than just solid. Time will obviously tell.
     
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    Why would AO be anymore of a project than say, oh Mario, when AO had one more of year of college ball than Mario did ?
     
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    My guess is because he's a couple of years younger than Mario and came into the league as a teenager.
     
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    He was 20 during his rookie season while Mario was 21 during his first season.
    Hardly any difference at all really ?
     
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    Because Mario was clearly a much better prospect. Not all college players are equal, you know, which is why some are drafted in the first round and most are not. :shades:
     
  16. rmartin65

    rmartin65 I'm Score

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    True, but Okoye was still a first round pick. Not #1 overall like Mario, but still in the top 10
     
  17. Polo

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    Wow we're comparing Mario to Okoye now ?

    -Mario really didn't come into his own until about the mid-way point last yr so he has not been this beast all along...Mario started slow and picked up steam, Amobi gave us good production early on and then tapered off..Different guys means different paths to development
    -Mario was a yr. and some change older than Amobi
    -Mario is more freakishly talented than Amobi, we did choose Mario #1 overall even though he was up against some very good ball players for that selection
    -Amobi is a DT and Mario is a DE


    Not sure why Amobi's progress is being measured against Mario's....That makes about as much sense as measuring Chester Pitts transition into the NFL against Duane Browns...

    Some things just involve too many factors to correlate...
     
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    This is true. But given that fact, shouldn't he be making an impact now? At least more of an impact than he made in his first year?

    I'm not saying that a project player is a bad thing. It's just a player that takes longer to mature and develop. And at the DT position, with a much greater learning curve than many other positions, it can take that much longer to fully realize his potential.

    It's not a bad thing in any way. My point was that the Texans are not the kind of team that should be using first round picks on players that have a longer development cycle. We lack depth in many areas, and to be honest, we lack a quality starter in a few positions, as well.

    Good points. My only inclusion of Mario was because nunu quoted me and used him as an example. But it's different players and different positions, as you pointed out.
     
  19. Polo

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    Exactly...I was agreeing with you...

    :fans:
     
  20. Runner

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    I've always found it strange that high first rounders get so much more time to develop than 3rd or 4th rounders. The same level of performance that gets a late rounder cut earns another year or two of OJT for a first round pick. It has a lot to do with potential, but also that the people making the picks don't want to look bad.
     

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