The texans have begun to show there hand as usual. John mclain says that the texans are in love with the speed of this guys and think he can be the guy to take this offense to another level. I for one agree completely, when you double team andre you have to have someone that can beat the defense deep, and thats exactly what this guys is great at.
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cadahnic
Rookie
Shush i like your statement. I do not like Troy Williamson and I hope we do not spend 13 money on him. I do like jerome mathis, vin. jackson, and reggie brown. Ohh forgot mark bradley and terrance murphy. Anyway they all have speed and brown could be our pick since he is fast and 6'4". Hopefully in the first we trade up if DJ is available only to 8 or 9 though. If not I like us staying right where we are and grabbing Carlos Rogers (a bigger D-Rob)
cadahnic
Rookie
Tailgate, Williamson will not solve our WR problems. If you want to know what he is going to look like in the pro level as a rook look at Reggie willams with the Jags. Williamson is that type of player a poor route runner with speed and not very good hands in the clutch. I understand he is a burner, but there are 4 to 5 burners in this draft who will go lower. and 2 of them have better hands. If we are smart we grab Jerome Mathis who can get rid of JJ Moses and stretch the field when we go 3 out.
cadahnic
Rookie
come on man the same reason why TD did not go very high, Why TO did not go high, Ray Lewis did not go high. See scouting is what you call a guessing game. Why did Reggie Williams go so high and 3rd rounder Earnest Wilford outplay him all year. Hype is a wonderful thing. And dont get me wrong the kid is talented, but production and Texan money would be better spent on a WR in the 3rd or trade back into the second. Reggie Brown is my pick for Anquan Boldin of the year. There is always one.
The Preacher
Waterboy
True dat what about Tony Brown from Tennessee I've seen him play a bunch. With two freshman qb's last year and a hoard of receivers he led the team in catches over Meachem. A quiet producer, decent size and speed, good hands I think he'll be a great value possibly late second day pick. I don't know about Anquan Boldin but I hope he makes it somewhere. I guess that would make him a Derrick Mason pick. Only local teams like Titans checked him out kind of like Troy Fleming last year.
cadahnic
Rookie
I have seen tape of Brown and he is decent. He is just a a little slow. He can catch though. I see him as Jabar Gaffney type of player. A solid slot receiver with sure hands, but those are not the fancy picks this year ya know. I think we waste our 13th pick if we do not go defense. We have to know that if we want to win we have to play some D. Our offense is actually better than alot of people think and we are a couple of players away from being tops in the league. Everyone keeps talking about AJ needs something to help him out. AJ is 6'2" 230 which means he does not need any help to get open. Look at TO who had no #2 receiver yet he could not be stopped. That is AJ by the way. GO DEFENSE GO DEFENSE
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
The Preacher
Waterboy
Anybody know our average time of possesion last year it could be hard to gauge our offense b/c it seemed we struggled stopping teams on 3rd down at times and the d was on the field constantly. Toughen up the D with one year's improvement on o-line and all of a sudden offensive stats could go way up w/o any major additions.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
The Preacher said:
29:59 on the year.
Tailgate
Fall of Hame
cadahnic said:
Walker is 2 years removed from a Pro Bowl. Don't give up on him just yet. Our D was vastly improving last year the farther and farther away Payne was removed from surgery. Besides... you did not mention drafting a DL with our first pick...so no sense in me going there in depth.
Yes, depth in the secondary would be nice....but can be addressed in later rounds no matter who we get in the first. I also feel this can be done with a LB as well.
Now... do you really think by us drafting Barron and starting him at LT this year would actually be a good thing...and have immediate impact? He might turn out to be a servicable LT in a couple years...but he wont just come in and be good enough to warrent Wand moving to G.
So we can afford to draft WR with first, then address the trenches and a back up CB with the rest of our picks, etc.
What do we know that is impressive about this guy except that he has
a lot of speed: he turned in some fast times (sub 4.4 I think) at the combine
and his sprint times at the scholastic level are sell documented. But speed in and of itself is meaningless for a football player if one doesn't have skills for his position.
ON TV I saw Mike Williams play at USC year before last and just saw Edwards on the tube in the Rose Bowl - they were both very impressive.
I've never seen Williamson in action. Has anybody ? If so lets have some testimony about his hands, ability to run pass routes, toughness after making a reception and hanging on to the ball when getting hit, etc.
As an example, when AJ came out of Miami his skills were well know: he was very tough to bring down after a catch and had very good hands but needed
improvement on his pass routes, and obviously had very good size - many said he looked more like a LB than a WR. And he had speed but this was almost like iceing on the cake because to be sure he was (and certainly has proved to), first and most of all a football player.
Unless we just want to jump on the bandwagon and be part of the heard mentality we need something more specific and convincing than he's fast
and talented. Got to keep in mind, this guy is trying out ffor the NFL, not the 100 Meter sprint in the next Olympics.
a lot of speed: he turned in some fast times (sub 4.4 I think) at the combine
and his sprint times at the scholastic level are sell documented. But speed in and of itself is meaningless for a football player if one doesn't have skills for his position.
ON TV I saw Mike Williams play at USC year before last and just saw Edwards on the tube in the Rose Bowl - they were both very impressive.
I've never seen Williamson in action. Has anybody ? If so lets have some testimony about his hands, ability to run pass routes, toughness after making a reception and hanging on to the ball when getting hit, etc.
As an example, when AJ came out of Miami his skills were well know: he was very tough to bring down after a catch and had very good hands but needed
improvement on his pass routes, and obviously had very good size - many said he looked more like a LB than a WR. And he had speed but this was almost like iceing on the cake because to be sure he was (and certainly has proved to), first and most of all a football player.
Unless we just want to jump on the bandwagon and be part of the heard mentality we need something more specific and convincing than he's fast
and talented. Got to keep in mind, this guy is trying out ffor the NFL, not the 100 Meter sprint in the next Olympics.
I was thinking Donte Stallworth from the same draft. SEC burner. Underclassman. Late riser after he ripped a 4.2 something at his pro day workout. Went #13 in the draft. Has been so-so as a pro.infantrycak said:
TheOgre
All Pro
Mr Shush said:
John McClain is a local sports writer for our paper (The Houston Chronicle). He covers the entire NFL. At times he has been insightful and at other times he has been downright wrong. One area that he HAS BEEN reliable is forecasting who we would draft. He has accurately predicted the position and player we would draft all 3 years. He also said (months before it was announced) that Boselli would never play again.
I tend to think he has great inside information rather than being the next coming of Nostradamus. He thinks we will go for a WR and have Troy Williamson tagged. Again he is 3 for 3. The streak could end this year. I'm just not going to count on it.
cadahnic
Rookie
I like to compare him to Donte Stallworth, but you are right Reggie was likely not the best guy to figure into the equation. I dont care about DL cause that can be addressed later, but every thing in this draft can be addressed later. This draft has the most depth than most drafts just not a lot of top-tier talent.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
cadahnic
Rookie
blitz you are right on target. I have seen alot of mocks and done a lot of scouting for my job. It is crazy how much film you have to watch to make games and do sports management. Anyway I like D. Ware and Carlos Rogers. I also see a definate opportunity for the Texans to trade up to 8 or 9 to grab DJ if he is available. I know alot of people are like DJ is the ST of this draft but we never had a chance at getting him without giving out to much.
wags
Veteran
nunusguy said:
I saw him play two games this year. I remember him busting a long one against Georgia this year. It wasn't a long bomb, it was just a short slant that he ran over the middle and the guy was gone. I remember he caught it and just burned all the way to the endzone. I was yelling somebody tackle that $%&*#$%!!!! The thing about Williamson is that he had possibly the worst quarterback I have ever seen throwing to him. I can't imagine he had many perfect balls thrown to him or deep balls thrown to him, because the SC quarterback is an option QB with no passing skills.
I don't want to comment on his hands or anything, but if this guy catches it on the run: SEE YA LATER.
a good comparison for Williamson is Corey Bradford. Fast.. but unreliable.
the only difference is that he wont be as good as Corey Bradford in his first season.. and will demand more cap space in the future.
Why do people get so obssesed with receivers? You would think that we have a strong passing offense the way people drool over receivers on this board. we are building a running team :P.. we are building a team with a strong defense, a dominant running game... and a pass threat just to keep people from focusing on our rush.
But noooooo.. everyone wants another star WR. Its stupid. if we take Troy Williamson at #13. then we might as well stop worrying about defense and just make ourselves into the next pass happy offense in the AFC south. It has worked so well for the Colts after all :P..look at all those superbowl trophies.
the only difference is that he wont be as good as Corey Bradford in his first season.. and will demand more cap space in the future.
Why do people get so obssesed with receivers? You would think that we have a strong passing offense the way people drool over receivers on this board. we are building a running team :P.. we are building a team with a strong defense, a dominant running game... and a pass threat just to keep people from focusing on our rush.
But noooooo.. everyone wants another star WR. Its stupid. if we take Troy Williamson at #13. then we might as well stop worrying about defense and just make ourselves into the next pass happy offense in the AFC south. It has worked so well for the Colts after all :P..look at all those superbowl trophies.
Williamson is the best pick for us at #13. He will accomplish what we need to accomplish on the offensive side of the ball. They can correct some of his negatives... Dunta had some of the same problems last year. They corrected it and look at him now. I think all of you are being too hard of Williamson. I think Andre, Troy, and Jabbar would be a good base set for us.
I also think we should trade up and get Blackstock. All the mocks that i have seen have him 29-35.. but i know that Pittsburg needs to replace Kendrell Bell and also New England needs to replace Bruschi.
I also think we should trade up and get Blackstock. All the mocks that i have seen have him 29-35.. but i know that Pittsburg needs to replace Kendrell Bell and also New England needs to replace Bruschi.
Reddevil63
Veteran
Thats exactly who I think of when I hear talk about Williamson, something about this guy scares me into thinking he will be a bust.Lucky said:
I fail to see the correlation between Williamson's negatives and D-Rob's...
Porky
Hall of Fame
Grid said:
That's ridicoulous. We need the best players we can get. Period. If Troy is the best, I say add him. If you hadn't noticed, a good passing game can make the running game better, just as the opposite is true. Every piece enhances, (or subtracts) from the others. The Texans are building an offense that can play any sort of game needed. Just building a strong running game is fine, but what about those games where the defense let's us down. Do you want to have the ability to catch up or not? I hear they are very high on this kid, and compare him to Javon Walker. If we could pair Walker with AJ, I for one, would be very excited. This would help AJ, Carr, and DD tremendouely, and could really take our O to the next level. I am excited about the possibility.
Isn't it possible that the Texans scouts are better than us message board scouts. Let's let the pro's decide what is best. If over several years, it proves to be a failure, so be it. But, let's at least open our minds to the possibility that they know more than we do.
outofhnd
Rookie
Well Since we have had only 4 drafts and We had glaring needs all over the place. This year is our first real year where everyone has a different view of our needs for this years draft.
This is a good thing, Think about Tampa all those years. All those top picks and nothing to show for it. I think its a testament to our Staff all across the board.
In my opinion another burner is a waste. If we want a burner wed be cheaper to resign bradford. I think it would be a mistake considering it will take him a full year to grasp the playbook remember we run QB WR option routes where the WR and Carr have to be on the same page otherwise it is interception city.
So don't expect a colts like scoring effort if we do indeed draft this guy. Its atleast a year or two away.
This is a good thing, Think about Tampa all those years. All those top picks and nothing to show for it. I think its a testament to our Staff all across the board.
In my opinion another burner is a waste. If we want a burner wed be cheaper to resign bradford. I think it would be a mistake considering it will take him a full year to grasp the playbook remember we run QB WR option routes where the WR and Carr have to be on the same page otherwise it is interception city.
So don't expect a colts like scoring effort if we do indeed draft this guy. Its atleast a year or two away.
cptnbreakdance
Waterboy
there is a possibility that the Texans Scouts & Head Coach think Troy is more than just a burner, and I'm sure they have gotten Dunta's opinion about him, since he played with him and ran against him in practice, so there is a good chance the Texans know a little more about Williamson than we do.
blockhead83
Rookie
I agree with Grid on this one. If I were playing Madden, I'd take Williamson, sit back and watch massive scoring ensue. However, in the real world, selecting another receiver doesn't seem to address our biggest concerns, nor does it seem to match the mentality of our football team that Capers is trying to form. Capers wants a hard-nosed football team that can pound the ball on offense, and physically break the opposition on defense, a la the Steelers.
Now, I know if you look at the Steelers, they have (had) great receivers like Ward, Burress, and Randle El, however they also have a great offensive line. We do not. It seems to me we're getting the buggy before the horse if we get our wide outs before we get an offensive line that will allow us to throw them the ball.
If our guys think Williamson is the BPA at 13, so be it, I'll still be happy because I think he's an exciting player. If we can still address the o-line with later picks, or if we don't feel there's a lineman worth the pick then I can see us drafting another WR. I just feel like Williamson wouldn't be put to good use for a few seasons, he'd make a few grabs a game and otherwise collect dust.
I'd much rather see us go defense with our #13 pick. I'd be happy to see us take any of the stud LB's, CB's, or DE's. If there's not a OL worth the #13 pick, we should keep building the stifling defense Caper's teams need to succeed. RB would also make a fair choice if one of the top 3 fell to us. DD has durability concerns, and a stud back in our system could put up some great production.
Now, I know if you look at the Steelers, they have (had) great receivers like Ward, Burress, and Randle El, however they also have a great offensive line. We do not. It seems to me we're getting the buggy before the horse if we get our wide outs before we get an offensive line that will allow us to throw them the ball.
If our guys think Williamson is the BPA at 13, so be it, I'll still be happy because I think he's an exciting player. If we can still address the o-line with later picks, or if we don't feel there's a lineman worth the pick then I can see us drafting another WR. I just feel like Williamson wouldn't be put to good use for a few seasons, he'd make a few grabs a game and otherwise collect dust.
I'd much rather see us go defense with our #13 pick. I'd be happy to see us take any of the stud LB's, CB's, or DE's. If there's not a OL worth the #13 pick, we should keep building the stifling defense Caper's teams need to succeed. RB would also make a fair choice if one of the top 3 fell to us. DD has durability concerns, and a stud back in our system could put up some great production.
I agree about with what was said about Dunta and Williamson. I am sure they are friends.. I know some people think impriving the defense is the way to go but from what i have seen alot in the past is that skilled positions are more likely to go in the 1st round. I agree that OL is a need but it wont come til 3rd or 4th round. I do think we need to replace Bradford. Sterling, Armstrong, and Gaffney are not the answer.. DL does need help but we can get one of top 10 ranked DE in the 3rd round. CB its a need but with sanders signing it makes it alot less of a need. Who ever we draft has 1 year to mature. LB i think we can trade up and get a good pass rusher in the 1st round. The rest of the positions i dont think i need to go over.
outofhnd
Rookie
Hmm maybe since Williamson wasnt really noticed till his pro day and combine, It could play to reason that the texans were hoping to get him as a late round steal, but because of how outstanding he was at the combine and pro day, now all these other teams are standing up and taking notice. I didnt even think about the fact Troy and Dunta were teammates
It will be Interesting to see what moves we make 30 days from now. Until then we should keep an eye out for who houston invites for a private workout. If they invite Williamson then Royce was right all along and as a defensive minded individual, I hope we get some Quality DL im wondering if Wisconsin's Hawthorne may be this years babin move back into round 1. He'd be a good guy to add as well. Then Maybe Bryant in the 3rd.
ARGH! why cant the draft be this weekend?
It will be Interesting to see what moves we make 30 days from now. Until then we should keep an eye out for who houston invites for a private workout. If they invite Williamson then Royce was right all along and as a defensive minded individual, I hope we get some Quality DL im wondering if Wisconsin's Hawthorne may be this years babin move back into round 1. He'd be a good guy to add as well. Then Maybe Bryant in the 3rd.
ARGH! why cant the draft be this weekend?
Texans32 said:
well i guess his times were better than i thought
Roscoe Parrish
WR
The people we talked to said Parrish did everything and more, including running routes, catching punts and speeding around as quick as two cats. He measured in at 5-9¾ and 170 pounds, did 10 reps, had a 10-5½ long jump, a 36-inch vertical, ran 4.47 and 4.40 in his 40s (which compares favorably to his 4.43 time at the combine). He also had a 4.22 short shuttle, an 11.08 long shuttle and a 6.69 in the cone drill.
I just really like Spears and S. Cody for our D-line.I think Gary Walker is on the downhill of his career and we're eventually gonna have to find a replacement, so why not get one of these guys who could even challenge him for the starting job this season and make a big impact.royce1054 said:
Texans32 said:
they have invested too much money in their D-line to do that in the 1st round. Spears wont be there. Cody wont be drafted til the 20's. His stock has falling so far. We can get replacements in the 3rd round. You also have to remember we will have a complete different LB core. Its speed has been improved. I think it woll start to open up for the DE to get 1-1 pass rushes.
Texans32 said:
I completely disagree. We do need a pass rusher but too much money is invested in the D-line this year to invest more this early. 3rd yes. Plus anyways Chargers will take him. merriman is only player i believe is higher on their board. If Williamson and Spears is availible
With the #13 pick the Houston Texans Select
Troy Williamson WR out of South Carolina