Texans Have Been Working the Play-Action to Death

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  1. CloakNNNdagger

    CloakNNNdagger Site Contributor

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    And it will certainly be revived this year. An interesting article that has 2011 patterns that may surprise even some Texans fans.

     
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    Interesting read. Really surprising how much the Giants changed their offense play selection. I think we'll need to do some of that, to shift back towards the norm. But do we have the tools & will Schaub trust them? Or better, will Dennison even think to do so?
     
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    When you try to be too unpredictable, you can:kitten: become predictable.
     
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    This shouldn't really be news to anybody who has watched the Texans regularly for the last 5 seasons.
     
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    As long as you've got a great RB and at least 1 or 2 weapons at WR/TE....you can run the playaction 30 or 40% and be successful with it.

    DL are affected. LBs too. As are CBs and Safeties. They're all watching the drop back and wondering if it's gonna' be run or pass.

    Once your run game is nullified, by injury to your good RB or by just not having a reliable run game at all, then the playaction pass doesn't work as well. There's no reason for defenses to respect the run; which means they'll play the pass and go after the QB.

    The Colts last year--they had no run game and therefore their QB was always under pressure.
     
  6. chenjy9

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    IMHO there is nothing wrong with overusing play action, because the whole point is to get the other time to bite down hard on it and hit them with that huge pass. As long as the team has the proper tools to run a successful play action offense (competent QB, competent WR, and competent RB) it will work and keep teams guessing.
     
  7. b0ng

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    Hell the playaction worked pretty good when we were running Chris Brown, Steve Slaton, and Ryan Moats in 2009. When it comes to drawing up PA passes, I don't think there is anybody better at it than Gary Kubiak. It's a shame most people on this very board could pick better DC's than him though :(
     
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    So then we look at Denver & Jacksonville. Great RBs..... eh. subjective. Good enough to move the chains, definitely.

    But when you're not scared of the QB keeping the ball & doing something with it.... does it really matter who the receivers & RBs are?
     


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    I call it the Madden syndrome.

    Greg Williamson, Vic Fangio, Monty Kiffen, Anyone who was ever the DC in Baltimore.....

    It's easy to throw names out there. But to get them to come to Houston, much less sign on the dotted line is a different thing altogether.
     
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    Don't forget the O-line. They have to "sell the run" on the passing plays, and I think I heard last season the Texans O-line was better than anyone at doing that. Just hope the right side of this season's O-line, whoever they are, can do the same!
     
  11. infantrycak

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    I think running the ZBS helps with selling the run. It, particularly on the extreme stretch, looks very distinct. The Texans often take a much more aggressive angle off the snap than other teams.
     
  12. GP

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    Absolutely. It's why MJD is racking up yards with Jags but not seeing his t-e-a-m go anywhere with it...because they have a consistent problem at QB (and WR). They have a TE who drops passes too much.

    The thing that hurt TJ Yates, IMO, was that he wasn't able to do what Schaub had been building on for many years: That instinct of knowing where to go at the snap...that knack for finding Owen Daniels on a seam route or deep zone read, etc. Or knowing when he had Walter who had snuck out from coverage due to Foster play fake or AJ and OD drawing CBs off him.

    That's the thing that I wonder we could see Yates get better at with OTAs and a full camp this year. Which means reps with the 1's (building that knack that a Kubiak QB has to develop).

    But still, the bread and butter is the run game. Without it, a guy like Yates becomes instantly mortal. With it, Yates has time he normally wouldn't have the luxury of having on a pass play.

    Good point. I didn't mention it, but you're 100% right.

    It takes the whole organism for things to work. Your o-line has to be performing at a HIGH level. Super high. If they're not, the whole thing bogs down.

    Gary has got a competent o-line, which I think will be even more competent with the absence of Winston. Everybody who comes to Houston now knows they can crack the starting lineup if they play hard enough and consistent enough. Jacoby is gone. Winston is gone. Two players who were being paid nicely who really were not earning it (to the degree they were being paid, at least). IMO.
     
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    Any play that works is a good play. Glanville could still a coach if that one goofy play had worked near his own end zone.
     
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    Good. Play-action the **** out of anyone and anything.
     
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    play action only works if teams respect your run game and the oline is in sync if not they will just blow the play up

    i for one would like to see them practice more of a 4 WR set spread them out and go type of plays

    and the oline acctually practice on picking up blitzes better and pass protection esp when your out numberd

    and matt acctually knowing how to slide to the left or right in the pocket
     
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    With the dominance of our running game, we should see PA open up a few big time down the field plays this year.
     
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    THIS! PA isn't predicated on your run game so much as it is on the lateral movement of your linemen. You could put Chris Ooglyboogly back there and not have any drop off in PA production based on the effectiveness of the line. ILB's hone in on a guard's first step to read a play, if they continually move laterally it becomes much more difficult to diagnose.
     
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    Sweet!! When did we pick him up???


    .............Championship!!
     
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    If you arent able to run the ball, then PA doesn't work. If they arent worried about you gaining any yards on the ground, then why would they bite on the PA? Agreed that the line is also a key, but first you have to establish the run as a threat ... then you can pick them apart with PA.
     
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    Except our playaction worked fine in 07 and 09 when we had non respectable rushing attacks.
     

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