Texans Corner Statistics through week 5

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  1. Goatcheese

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    Some perspective on where we stand at corner.

    Jacques Reeves
    Games: 1 game played
    Thrown at: 5
    Receptions: 2
    Completion%: 40
    Yards: 30
    Yards per Game: 30
    Yards per reception: 15.0
    Yards per Attempt: 6.0
    Yards after catch: 17
    Long: 18
    TDs surrendered: 0
    INTs: 0
    Passes defensed: 2
    NFL QB rating against: 60.4

    Solid game from our best corner. Definitely nice to have him back.

    Dunta Robinson
    Games: 5 starts
    Thrown at: 21
    Receptions: 12
    Completion%: 57.1
    Yards: 169
    Yards per Game: 33.8
    Yards per reception: 14.1
    Yards per attempt: 8.0
    Yards after catch: 65
    Long: 27 yards
    TDs surrendered: 1
    INTs: 0
    Passes defensed: 3
    NFL QB rating against: 99.1

    After a bad start he has been playing better. He cheated himself and the team by missing camp and preseason, and it showed early in the season. Hopefully he continues his upward trend and solidifies the RCB spot opposite Reeves.

    Fred Bennett
    Games: 4 games played, 3 starts
    Thrown at: 20
    Receptions: 14
    Completion%: 70
    Yards: 142
    Yards per Game: 35.5
    Yards per reception: 10.1
    Yard per attempt: 7.1
    Yards after catch: 42
    Long: 19
    TDs surrendered: 1
    INTS: 0
    Passes defensed: 1
    NFL QB rating against: 106.7

    If he could tackle he wouldn't be terrible.

    Glover Quin
    Games: 5 games played, 2 starts
    Thrown at: 20
    Receptions: 13
    Completion%: 65
    Yards: 171
    Yards per Game: 34.2
    Yards per reception: 13.2
    Yards per attempt: 8.5
    Yards after catch: 34
    Long: 22
    TDs surrendered: 0
    INTs: 0
    Passes defensed: 1
    NFL QB rating against: 91.9

    Bennett, but can tackle.

    Brice McCain
    Games: 5 games played
    Thrown at: 7
    Receptions: 6
    Completion%: 85.7
    Yards: 85
    Yards per Game: 17
    Yards per reception: 14.2
    Yards per attempt: 12.1
    Yards after catch: 23
    Long: 23
    TDs surrendered: 1
    INTs: 0
    Passes defensed: 0
    NFL QB rating against: 156.8

    :choke:

    For comparison, our opponents next week:

    Johnathan Joseph
    Games: 5 starts
    Thrown at: 31
    Receptions: 19
    Completion%: 61.3
    Yards: 279 :roast:
    Yards per Game: 55.8
    Yards per reception: 14.7
    Yards per attempt: 9
    Yards after catch: 74
    Long: 51
    TDs surrendered: 0
    INTs: 3
    Passes defensed: 1
    NFL QB rating against: 51.1

    I see 'dre having a big day against this guy. Just be careful trying to fit it into tight coverage.

    Leon Hall
    Games: 5 starts
    Thrown at: 24
    Receptions: 13
    Completion%: 54.2
    Yards: 151
    Yards per Game: 30.2
    Yards per reception: 11.6
    Yards per attempt: 6.3
    Yards after catch: 47
    Long: 24
    TDs surrendered: 0
    INTs: 1
    Passes defensed: 3
    NFL QB rating against: 56.1
     
  2. TexansSeminole

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    Good stuff.

    Could you post the best and worst stats from around the league? Maybe add big name guys (Asomoghua, Cromartie, Bailey, Revis, Samuel) in there too if they aren't among the best?
     
  3. Goatcheese

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    They haven't graded all 5 games yet so the numbers won't be equal.

    Darrelle Revis
    Games: 4 starts(doesn't include game 5)
    Thrown at: 26
    Receptions: 11
    Completion%: 42.3
    Yards: 109
    Yards per Game: 27.3
    Yards per reception: 9.9
    Yards per attempt: 4.2
    Yards after catch: 47
    Long: 27
    TDs: 0
    INTs: 1
    Passes defensed: 4
    NFL QB rating against: 38.8

    Nnamdi Asomugha
    Games: 4 starts(doesn't include game 5)
    Thrown at: 5
    Receptions: 5
    Completion%: 100
    Yards: 43
    Yards per game: 10.8
    Yards per reception: 8.6
    Yards per attempt: 8.6
    Yarda after catch: 21
    Long: 17
    TDs: 1
    INTs: 0
    Passes defensed: 0
    NFL QB rating against: 142.1

    Only thrown at 1.25 times per game. Nobody wants to challenge this guy.

    Champ Bailey
    Games: 4 starts (doesn't include game 5)
    Thrown at: 28
    Receptions: 14
    Completion%: 50.0
    Yards: 146
    Yards per game: 36.5
    Yards per receptions: 10.4
    Yards per attempt: 5.2
    Yards after catch: 43
    Long: 34
    TDs: 0
    INTs: 1
    Passes defensed: 5
    NFL QB rating against: 50.6
     
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    Awesome website. Also shows that behind every good CB is a good safety (and pass rush).
     
  5. Goatcheese

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    It's a great site for stats, but I'm not a fan of their grading system.

    It's one of the few places you can find important O-line and DB stats for free. It's nice to know that while Brown has given up more sacks than Winston(3 vs 2), he's not letting defenders disrupt Schaub's throws the way Winston does(QB hits 5 v 4, QB pressures 0 vs 9).

    Okoye gets knocked for being pushed around but is near the top of the league in important categories like stops and QB pressures.
     
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    While this shows a lot, CB is one of those positions that stats just don't capture the whole picture. Asoumagha is giving up a 100% completion percentage...but he has only been thrown at 5 times in 4 games. Really cool to see the stats though, great post.
     
  7. pbat488

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    That's unreal that in four games Asomugha has only been thrown to five times. I realize how bad their rush defense is so teams don't have to throw a whole lot to him, but wow. I wonder what the numbers are for his opposite, Johnson I believe it was?
     
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    Exactly - CB is probably the worst position in football to try to stat evaluate.

    A stat I would like to see is what percentage of passes thrown against a D while each DB is on the field are thrown against that DB.
     


  9. Goatcheese

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    http://profootballfocus.com/gstats....=2009&gameid=1467&teamid=13&stats=v&playerid=

    Here is probably my favorite feature on the site. It gives you a break down of who was making those receptions.

    Week 5 vs Az D-Rob only allowed 2 receptions, both to Fitz. One of them IMO should have been an offensive penalty, and the other he could have broken up but he lost his footing on the grass.

    Compare that to Quin who got torched on 5 of 8 for 72 yards by Bolden, Urban and Breston. :roast:
     
  10. Goatcheese

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    They track who was in, and on what play, but don't tie it in to who made the play. You can match it up though.

    For example:

    Here is Week 5's play by play player participation: http://profootballfocus.com/pstats.php?gameid=1467

    1st quarter, 4:30, 2nd and 1
    RCB: Dunta Robinson
    LCB: Glover Quin
    FS: Eugene Wilson
    SS: Bernard Pollard


    And the play by play from NFL.com: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/20091...ox-score#analyze-channels:cat-post-playbyplay

    2-1-HOU 46 (4:30) 13-K.Warner pass short left to 11-L.Fitzgerald to HST 23 for 23 yards (23-D.Robinson).
     
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    That is interesting. And just back from injury, much maligned, Reeves allowed 2 completions on 5 targets - best rate on the team.

    Man that is a lot of work over a season. I remember back when Deion was in his prime and one commentator said something about Deion having an off-season because his stats were so low. The other guy says well they have only thrown at him 7 times all year and he has picked off 4 - would you throw at the guy? Sometimes a ball thrown to another WR is a victory all by itself and it is hard to track that stat.
     
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    QB rating against numbers are kinda telling as well.
     
  13. Goatcheese

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    While we're on the subject of coverage, why is Cushing playing in the Nickel package? Diles was on the field just 38%(64% on the season) of the snaps vs Cushing's 100%(92% on the season) against a pass oriented offense, even though he is better and more experienced in coverage.

    Diles thrown at 5 times, 3 receptions for 9 yards
    Cushing thrown at 16 times, 11 receptions for 92 yards

    That's a huge difference in performance, yet we're still not putting our best personnel on the field for the situations we're in.

    Everyone who watched USC football knew Cushing was not a plus linebacker in coverage, so why are the Texans trying to jam a square peg in a round hole, just because he was drafted 15th?
     
  14. gtexan02

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    Arizona plays out of the nickel a lot, using Bolding/Fitz/Breaston on almost every snap. My guess is that they run with 3 WRs in, so our team wanted to keep our two best linebackers in as much as possible
     
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    Everyone keeps saying that stats don't paint a good picture of how well a corner is playing, but when you can see completion percentage against, how many times the ball is thrown at them, and what the QB rating is against them, how could their be a better picture?
     
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    I'll give you that Cushing may not be the best coverage guy but c'mon...Diles isn't either.
     
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    Look at it this way. Typical NFL season 500 passing plays. On just 10 of those does player X look out of position enough (fell, cranial flatulence, whatever) that the QB even thinks about throwing against him and completes 8. Is that guy worse than player Y who all season long QB's are taking attempts against so 100 times he is thrown at and he defends 60 of them?

    QB rating is silly simply because it is a volume stat and is weighted on O performance with lots of credit to TD's. Spot calculating it on a handful of pass attempts is meaningless. Again it doesn't take into account balls not thrown which after all is the fundamental point of coverage.
     
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    Yea, but if you factor all those things in yourself than the stats are helpful. The number of times a corner is thrown against is an available stat, so if that is low you disregard QB rating.

    The way I look at Asomoghua's stats is that he keeps the receivers he goes up against to an average of 1.5 receptions per game for about 13 yards per game.

    The question I have is how do they determine if the safety is getting thrown at or the corner.
     
  19. 76Texan

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    Warner got sacked twice?

    PFF credited Okoye for one sack and Cushing for another.
    nfl.com showed only one sack bythe Texans, split between Okoye and Cushing.
     
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    Jut think we could have drafted Revis and gotten ASO in FA. Yeah, he was expensive but DR $10 million now and projected $13-14 M next year (I don't see him getting a multi year deal) is close to ASO's $28 for first two.
     

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