Texans audibles.

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  1. Texans_Chick

    Texans_Chick Utopian Dreamer

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    Audibles always a question by fans and some media. So I asked Schaub/Myers about them yesterday. Tried to get them to explain it better to fans but they were reluctant not to share stuff that could give opponents an advantage.

    If you could see their answers as oppose to just a transcript, you could see they think it is a dumb fan *issue*. Myers in particular thought I was trying to trick him with my question.

    http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/07/changing-plays-at-the-line-matt-schaub-chris-myers-talk-audibles/

    The Texans had issues on offense last year. That Matt Schaub didn't have "enough authority" at the line I do not think is an issue.
     
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    So it appears that they're saying:

    1) Matt doesn't have to audible as much, because he has built-in options post snap.

    2) Instead of the conventional "audible," they communicate adjustments at the line in other ways that are subtle and hopefully unnoticeable.

    Just a thought: I bet Sage Rosenfels and Vonta Leach taught their teams how to notice.
     
  3. Rey

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    http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nfl/16/matt-schaub


    I wish I could find the entire transcript, but our audibles are more subtle because they aren't as complex...

    Rick smith did and interview and talked about Matt being allowed to do more this year.

    I doubt they'd give much detail on their audibles, but you should ask them if Matt sees a mismatch that he wants to take advantage of if he will call audibles to completely change plays to do so.

    Hopefully Matt will be allowed to do that some this year.
     
  4. Rey

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    Exactly.

    Id like for kubiak to allow Matt to go completely off the grid occasionally if he sees something he thinks we can exploit.
     
  5. ObsiWan

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    I found this interesting
    ...to me anyway...

    Translation:
    Look you goofball, just because Matt doesn't flap his arms like a large-forehead crane trying to take off or point at one defensive guy or the other like some school kid ratting out his classmates to avoid detention doesn't mean we don't call audibles. W
    e're smoother than that.
    And we like it that way.
    Did it ever occur to you people that if you can't tell we've changed the play, then maybe, just maybe, the defense doesn't know we changed the play either. Which means, just possibly, they're setting up to try and stop the wrong thing. Yaay us!

    ...next question.
     
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    You're assuming that doesn't ever happen.
    How can you tell it doesn't?
     
  7. b0ng

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    Vonta's teachings didn't do much for em the second time around.
     
  8. Rey

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    Because Kubiak has said as much. Seth Payne, while not currently with the Texans has said the same thing. And if you actually read the quotes TC got, they are saying the same thing as well. Matt Schaub has been on the radio before and talked about their audibles. Kubiak has talked about their audibles. I am familiar with this scheme and have a ball park idea on their audible system. Rick Smith was on the radio the other day and he talked about "giving Matt more responsiblity" at the LOS or something like that...

    I don't think you or a lot of people understand how their audibles work.
     


  9. thunderkyss

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    I'm sorry, I already put this in another thread. Good work, definitely something the fans want to know about though.
     
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    From the little the (the Texans) will open up and say, our audibles are basically spins off the existing (planned) play. As an example, I think if the planned play is a wide run - say double TE, single RB formation - and Schaub sees nine in the box, he may audible to one of the TEs peel off (instead of sustaining) his block and find an open area for a 10-12 yd pass. He still goes thru with the run-like play but instead of handing off, keeps the ball and hits the open TE.

    That change of play is subtle.

    Now if you want Kubiak to take that same call (double TEs, single RB, run right) and audible to something like four wides (that "off the grid enough for ya?), meaning the two TEs pretend they're WRs, I doubt that's gonna happen.

    I must admit - depending on which TEs are in the game - it might be interesting to see...
     
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    OK, I'm confused...

    So, which is it? Audible a LOT, or you don't have to do it as much due to your post-snap options?
     
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    I don't know that we need to add another dynamic to our offense... not like that. The whole point, I think, of wanting us to audible more is to not be caught in a situation running a play that has no chance of working, or to punk the other team & make them look bad.

    But even the teams with QBs who flap their arms & gyrate eventually run into a play that "looks" like it had no chance to succeed & we punk everybody.

    We like to give Kubiak the credit for getting our guys wide open, especially guys like Kevin Walter. Maybe that was one of those instances that Matt saw something, audibled & busted a big gain.
     
  13. Rey

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    I'm not talking about anything exotic like that.

    I'm talking about something like Matt walking up to the LOS....He sees the safety cheating over, or he notices something that tips him off to what the defense is getting ready to do.

    Him giving an easy, easy call or a relax call or whatever they do to let them know a change is coming...And then him setting up the the route of the guy he wants to go to in order to exploit what he's just seen. It could be anything from being tipped off of what coverage or blitz is coming or seeing that they substituted #?? and he's covering someone he doesn't think he can hold.

    You can subtly make a call like that on occasion, but sometimes you're going to have to back out...go to shotgun...move your RB...Give a call to the O-line...and then let the receivers know what you want them to do with a signal. And sometimes if there isn't a signal for it, you might have to yell out a call and they might have to come in closer to hear you and then go back and get set.

    The Texans don't have this super secret audible system where they are making spur of the moment wholesale changes with Matt Schaub tapping the side of his helmet two times and calling out Sally.
     
  14. Rey

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    TK, you sound like you are saying good enough is good enough.

    Screw that.

    Our goal should be set at being the best offense in the league and to be unstoppable by anyone. I don't care that we are "one of the best". Well I do care...and that is nice...But if you can do something that makes you even better, why not do it?

    Why not be better than the best teams offensively? Why not have something that helps not have the offensive funks we found ourselves in at times last year?

    I'm going to trust what Rick said about Matt having more on his plate this year. Even if he's not just going wild with audibles...I think a little more freedom to go off the grid would help him out.

    As for that last part, I highly doubt it. If Matt was making those kinds of audibles you'd have teammates and coaches raving about how Matt is making these changes and making all these big plays happening. Plus that doesn't even jive with anything that's been said on the subject from the team.
     
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    Fans do not understand. They cannot understand, but if they did they would have to kill us.
     
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    He's double talking because their audibles aren't real audibles.

    The audibles are likely pre-determined during the week leading to the game and Matt is just doing basic calls and audibles based on the coaches giving him direct instructions. "If we are running this play or we are in this formation and you get this look, run this"

    It's more of a check list.

    That's why the calls are subtle and don't require much. Because everyone on the offense knows what's coming so they are just waiting on the official word from Matt.

    Which is not a terrible thing. But I do think he should have a little more freedom to completely change a play sometimes.

    Kubiak probably thinks it's not necessary though. And he could be right.
     
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    There are plenty of teams out there that do the off the grid audible stuff & they haven't won as many games as we have last year, & their offenses weren't as prolific as ours has been for a while now.

    So there's no guarantee that changing our audible system will make us any better. Only different.

    I'd much rather be able to line up & say, "Hey, we're going to run the ball & you can't stop us." Then pick up the yard, the 3 yards, the 5 yards that we need.

    I'm all for getting better, just don't think this is the way we should try.
     
  18. Rey

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    What?

    Slow down and think about what you're saying before just looking to disagree.


    If I take a group of scrubs and allow them to make crazy audibles that doesn't mean that they are going to all of a sudden become beasts.

    If I take the Saints and allow Drew Brees to call his own audibles at times, there's a good chance the offense might improve some.
     
  19. Rey

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    That's one of those things that sound nice, but isn't realistic for us at all.

    This is the NFL. If a team of equal or greater talent knows you are running the ball you and you indeed run the ball, you're going to wish they hadn't known you were running it.

    If we face a good defensive football team we'll need all the help we can get. We are not going to line up through out the play-offs and in the superbowl and run the ball down teams throats that know we're running the ball. No one does that any more. That ain't happening.
     
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    We struggle with the 2 minute drill.
     

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