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  1. BigBull17

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    Anyone get any good tidbits from last nights Texans All Access?
     
  2. Lucky

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    I saw parts of the interviews Rich Lord did with Joe Marciano and Frank Bush, and all of the Kyle Shanahan interview. Here's some of what I remember.

    Coach Joe

    It will be a big adjustment to go from the 3 or 4 man wedge on kickoff returns to the league mandated 2 man maximum wedge. The Texans will consider not using any type of wedge.

    James Casey will be looked at as a long snapper.

    Jacoby Jones is an "all world" talent, but he must mature as a player or his job is in jeopardy.

    Brantley still has too many "moving parts" in his punting form. Turk has eliminated those during his long career.

    To make a team as a special teamer only, a player has to be special. John Henry Mills and Eugene Seales were 2 examples.

    Frank Bush (caught only the last 5 minutes)
    The starting safeties right now are Wilson and Ferguson.

    Dunta is expected to return and be an important part of the defense. Bush likes the toughness he brings to the unit.

    Mario is only 70% of the player he will become.

    Kyle Shanahan (saw Texans Chick representing in the front row)
    Has challenged all of the offensive players to make improvements. Says that if they aren't getting better, they're getting worse.

    Realizes the Texans must improve in the red zone. Like Bruce Matthews, Shanahan thinks it is about attitude.

    Orlovsky brings a similar skill set as Schaub, just a little bigger, stronger, and faster than Matt. Excited to work with him.

    Slaton may have gotten too big in the offseason. Needs to become a better blocker in pass pretection. Wants to utilize Slaton more as a receiver, but needs another back to carry some of the load.

    A healthy Chris Brown is the perfect compliment to Slaton. Went into the 2008 training camp thinking either Green or Brown would step up as the #1 RB, with Slaton the #2. When Green and Brown flopped (my words), Slaton really stepped up.

    Likes Arian Foster's intellegence. Expects Foster to make noise in training camp. Also expects the Texans to carry 4 RBs, 1 FB.

    Thinks a lighter, quicker Duane Brown bodes well.

    Andre Davis is the fastest player on offense.

    David Anderson could be the next Wes Welker. Is partly responsible for Anderson getting cut as a rookie. Anderson has worked hard to improve and can immediatly convert coaching instruction to execution in practice.

    James Casey will need to learn multiple positions (including FB) in order to dress on Sundays. At the same time, Shanahan doesn't want to throw too much at him and hinder his development as a TE.

    You either practice the zone and get good at it, or practice the wildcat and get good at it. There's not enough practice time to get good at both. Don't expect a lot of wildcat if Shanahan has a say.

    Getting behind early forced the Texans into turnovers. Believes that if the Texans grab leads early, the turnovers will decrease.

    Chris Simms is now healthy and will win the Broncos starting QB job.

    My takes on the interviews:
    Casey as a long snapper would be a waste. Casey as a holder on kicks makes sense. He has great hands, and can turn a bad snap into a good play with his feet and arm.

    David Anderson will never be Wes Welker. Welker has much more exposiveness and that's why he can uncover so quickly.

    The "getting behind early" excuse for the high amount of turnovers is a copout. The Texans actually had the lead against Indy before going Rosencopter. Take some responsibility and say we made some real poor choices in playcalling.

    Kyle Shanahan is not ready to be a head coach. But he will be one soon, if the Texans start winning. Kyle has "it". And NFL owners love "it".
     
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  3. steelbtexan

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    Great recap

    Thanks
     
  4. CloakNNNdagger

    CloakNNNdagger Site Contributor

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    Thanks, Lucky.........lots of good info.

    Re. Orlovsky, do you interpret "stronger" as in ARM, as I would?
     
  5. Texans_Chick

    Texans_Chick Utopian Dreamer

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    Hey I was front row for Marciano too. He signed my son's jersey and gave him the silver marker too.

    I think Casey as longsnapper comes from Turk likely making the team and continuing as holder because he's done it for so long. They want Casey to try longsnapping so they don't have to carry a TE who just longsnaps and has no other value.

    Last year at this time, we wondered if DA could make the team. But he kept making plays in camp and in preseason. It's hard to say what DA is because he really didn't get that many opportunities. Lots of targets on offense, and DA ranks not high on the list.

    I think one reason why Rosencopter went Rosencopter is that nobody in the stadium trusted the defense to hold the Colts. Nobody nobody nobody. The best defense the Texans had last year was offensive time of possession. A defense that is not on the field can't screw up. Punting for the Texans was death. You can call it a cop out but that was the reality. You have even a marginally better defense, and the team doesn't have to take as many chances. Certainly, the Texans didn't playcall Rosenfels going Elway.
     
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    Winner! That is my thought exactly. I still don't see how a bootleg in that situation was a bad call. It afforded the Texans the possibility of getting a first down and absolutely nailing the coffin shut, while also providing the safety of a simple slide if nothing was there. We all know where the point of failure was. With a better defense, maybe you call a simple run up the gut, watch it get stuffed, and punt. With the crappy defense we had, the staff took a calculated risk in going for the first down with very little downside if Rosencopter just slides. That way we at least had a chance to keep the game in the hands of the better unit. No one expected him to go diving with the ball unprotected like it was.

    There is ZERO way I blame the coaches on that one, and have not seen a convincing argument otherwise. You have to play to win, and you have to put your foot on their throats when you have the chance. The coaches tried, and were betrayed by a single player.
     
  7. Lucky

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    The defense was bad last year. And several years prior. But, not in this Colts game. They had held Manning in check since the 2nd quarter. I'm sorry, but that was totally on the play calls and the QB. 3 turnovers in the last 3 minutes handed that game to Indy on a silver platter. The defense did not lose that game. That was on Kub...the Texans head coach and his backup QB.

    Which is what bothers me. Take some responsibility for what you do wrong. 30+ turnovers in each of the past 2 seasons indicate flaws in the scheme, the coaching, the execution, or all of the above. Forcing a poor defense to deal with that many turnovers was and will be a recipe for disaster. The defense didn't force the naked boot play call. The defense didn't force an injured Schaub to stay in the Viking game and throw a pick off his back leg. I would like to see a little accountability. That's all.
     
  8. nunusguy

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    I think the main reason Rosencopter went airborne was his desire to emulate Elways famous SB play and elevate his opportunities in his upcoming FA offseason by being a highlight playmaker, but it backfired on him. No QB really ought to consciously take those kinds of chances with the ball in the fourth quarter when his teams ahead, even with the Texans D.
    Re Dan O, with his mobility he's clearly more of a WC kinda QB than Schaub and with a stronger arm, if he can improve his accuracy he'll simply be a better QB than Schaub.
     
  9. whiskeyrbl

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    I disagree on the punting being death in that situation. You are up 27-17, IF Rosenfels slides at the end of that play instead of the "Elway improv" you send the punting team out run the clock to 1 sec. and leave the Colts a long field with less than 3 minutes and having to score twice. I believe we would have held. The D had really playe good all day. The disaster lies squarely on our former backup.
     
  10. BigBull17

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    In that situation, punting wasn't death, but normally it was last year. We were fine until Sage tried to force Kubiak to make him the starter. That game was Sage and Sage alone.
     
  11. Texans_Chick

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    I'm not saying it was a smart, rational or sensible thing to do.

    I'm saying it is a human thing to do.

    Punting isn't really death, but over the course of the season, the offense needed to remind itself of that. To trust the defense to hold after a punt, trust that in some cases was misguided.

    The story of the Colts game was not that the defense was amazingly great (though certainly better than they have done in some other outings given Manning and the offensive lines' rust). It was that the Texans were able to get some decent time of possession, including IIRC, a really huge drive in the third quarter. They were playing the typical keep the ball away from Manning game that is easy to say but hard to do. Rosenchopper was taking that philosophy to the extreme.
     
  12. Pantherstang84

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    Actually. I believe if he had done the Elway slide, he probably would have gotten the first down. It was that close. Oh well. The Rosencopter show is now in the frozen tundra and will probably be backing up Favre. Look for an encore some time this season.
     
  13. 76Texan

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    Thanks for the recap, Lucky!

    The thing about Duane being better at a lighter weight was my contention all along.

    Orlovsky, I see the guy having quite a bit of potential.
    Soon as he learns the true essence of the WCO, getting the ball off quicker, he should have a better career than Rosenfels (IMO).

    Casey, as I watched the Rice/Texas game, is not fast enough to be really effective in the wildcat, except for some yardage situation, or to pull some surprise (which I don't think will happen with most the NFL players ready for the scheme.)
    Also, it was my thought that we don't have time to practice the wildcat yet, if ever.

    David Anderson may not be as explosive as Welker, but the guy is shifty enough to be effective. We have enough weapons.
    BTW, the young receivers (Bell, Jones, Jenkins) have good potential, one may break out and become a contributor, hopefully.

    I also expect Foster to gather some attention during TC.
     
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    Rosencopter was the 2nd mistake by Sage that game. AFter the 1st, one of the offensive coaches should have grabbed his face mask and eye to eye said no more boo boos. I don't know if he was trying to make himself look better or just help the team. He should have just tucked the ball and slid. "Protect the ball" comes before anything else. If that is demanded from Jacoby and the running backs, it should have been demanded from Sage.

    I like Vontae but if we can move a TE into his spot at FB and keep another player, why not? Maybe Dreesen or Anthony Hill could get some reps at FB? I just don't see anyone beating him out.

    If AD is fastest O. player all he needs to do is haul it downfield in the open and Schaub will get it to him eventually. A WR that keeps getting open will get the QB's eye.

    Running backs? We will see. A whole lotta maybe going on here.
     
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    Sounds like it was good times. The video on TT.com was pretty lame, it didn't show much.
     
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    I with you Whiskey... Even if he hadn't made the 1st dn, he would have ended up inside the 35 yd line. That's Kris Brown range. If Rosencopter slides, the odds are good that we put 3 more pts on the board - I don't see where a punt would have even come into play.
     
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    Interesting. I haven't heard this to date. It certainly makes sense to my brain. I would argue that physically he was pretty ideal based on his production down the stretch. I recognize that he didn't start a full 16 but as far as how he was playing when he was playing it wasn't broke'. Mentally
    improving his pass pro is a really exciting thought. I wish I could site the instance but there was a play where he's in pass pro on one side and he literally dives across the pocket to get a nick on somebody to buy just enough time to get the play off. I think he's got the right makeup to be a terrific all around back. Never quit, break a big one, team player, smart player good player.

    this excites me. One of his first big plays was that touchdown catch along the sideline. I hope to / expect to see more of this in '09.

    Are you saying Kyle was responsible for Anderson getting cut? If so, can you explain how?


    First, let me say that I love that he's not into running that cheese ball nonsense. Second, love the team philosophy that is founded in Gibbs' style of teaching: Run 4 plays perfectly instead of running 12 pretty well. Wasn't there some other coach who used to share that concept. He won some NFL championships with the power sweep. Vince somebody... he has a statue or a trophy or something.... I forget. Anyway, I think this is the right guy to have on board with Kubiak's concepts.


    I am torn on this. More later...

    I hate to think that he's gone in the next year or two. I know it's a pipe dream to expect to maintain some coaching stability in this NFL but I sure wouldn't mind it at all! As I said earlier I feel like he brings some kind of rational thinking to Kubiak's mad scientist gut level thinking. I like the combination of these two guys heads together. ALOT.

    I love the idea of opening up a roster spot but I don't like the idea of Casey not getting down field quickly. If he's on the outside somewhere, it seems like he would have a better chance of being a real threat downfield on the punt coverage. If he's long snapping I don't see him being as much of a factor.


    I agree. I can't side with Lucky's argument that it was bad coaching. My issue with this game the whole time was the next turnover. Again we're rolling out to avoid pressure and give Sage time to make a safe decision but he's got the ball down by his hip and looking down field. I would argue that in both instances, the coaching, being a rollout are actually GOOD decisions because it is designed to isolate him from the pressure and allow him time to make the correct decision. If anything, on the second turnover in our end, I fault the OLine for not being able to hold up pass pro EVEN ON A ROLLOUT. You can argue that if Eric Winston even half way blocks Mathis he doesn't make it ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE FIELD FROM THE LDE POSITION TO SWAT THE BALL AWAY! I just don't see how those decisions from a coaching stand point are bad ones. Hell, the 2nd and 8 call is a pick that puts slaton in position for a 1st down or at least a 3rd and 1 or 2 but Sage panics from emmense pressure and throws it at Slaton's feet. The Coaches would be the last to blame for that loss.
    I certainly would hate to be a 6th or 7th string WR on this roster. Unless it's purely from an educational perspective.

    I think it's a huge mistake to overlook Leach's value to this team. Shannahan even mentions that he's playing in a style that doesn't suit him ideally. And yet he absolutely excels at it.
     
  20. Vinny

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    I'm with Lucky on the bad coaching thing. Football is a strategy game and sometimes Kubiak likes to call the game like an overzealous offensive coordinator instead of a head coach (tempering both sides of the ball), putting the defense in unwinnable situations on far too many occassions.
     

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