Tear up the Script

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  1. CloakNNNdagger

    CloakNNNdagger Site Contributor

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    Scripted plays was something developed back when by Walsh. Fifteen plays were scripted at the beginning of the game to "feel out" the defenses. Today some teams still use a variation of this theme. However, with all the changes in the game, if 3rd down looks don't appear promising or if the direction of the defense seems to be heralding destruction, smart teams will readily break from their scripts........adjusting accordingly and early. To do anything else is suicidal...........enter Kubiak and the Texans. It has been revealed that Kubiak has allowed Schaub one alternate option "just in case." One alternate option can't consistently adjust when you're getting your head repeated beaten in. Real-time decisions, whether by Schaub or Kubiak (thru helmet communication) are necessary to be able to adjust properly and promptly when necessary. There is no way that this script subborness is not at least in great part responsible for our inability to score in the first half. We are not only outdated but our coaches are either afraid to or incapable of "thinking on the fly." With so many questionable and nonsensical past recurrent on-the-field decisions, the latter is not far-fetched. Walsh had a good idea back then.........Since then, the game has evolved.........Unfortunately, Kubiak has us stuck in a time warp.


     
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    Wow! From 12/15/07. But it sure seems like it was talking about our offense this year...
     
  3. Texan_Bill

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    I agree with tearing up a 10 or 15 play set script. I am not against scripting a scenario of plays. What I mean is, rather than have a straight line script, have a script that's more like a flow chart. I.E. start with the run, run again. If they play both plays a certain way or differently. Come out and throw the ball and see how they react. See how they wanna play you. It shouldn't take 10 to 15 set plays, irrespective of the defense to run plays that you scripted during the week... Have, structure, but have a flow to see where they go.


    Coaches nowadays have these huge laminated play sheets with many, many plays... ****ing use them.

    /END rant!
     
  4. Txn_in_FL

    Txn_in_FL Lucky 13

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    What I find interesting in the article is the discussion about the 2007 Patriots and their tendency to score as fast and often as possible. Due to what? Holes in defense that could be exploited by the opposing team.

    I understand that the Texans offense has injury issues right now, but a trend here has always seemed to be a lack of killer instinct and the desire to blow teams out as quickly as possible.

    By no means is this team the 2000-anything Pats, but c'mon... at some point you have to see that what you are doing is not working.
     
  5. thunderkyss

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    It is strange, last year we didn't have the issues we have now. Last year we were pretty good on opening drives & first Qtr points.
     
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    4,770 yards. 7th highest passing total ever...... accomplished the same year this article was written......
     
  7. JB

    JB Old Curmudgeon

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    So why do you think we are having the issues this year? We have a much better running game. Our play action ought to be much better. Our explosiveness should be much better. But it's not.
     
  8. Rey

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    It's one thing to have a break out season, but to have dominant performances year in and year out is something that elite level players accomplish.

    Schaub is not that kind of player.

    There have been many QB's that come out and have great seasons and somewhat dwindle down in the future. John Kitna, Matt Hassleback....These are just two that immediately come to my mind.

    I'm not sure what makes Schaub any different. He had a good season last year...he threw the ball more than anybody else and he had more yards than anyone else.

    We have one...maybe two elite level players on this offense...

    AJ, and Foster...

    We don't have that elite level QB so I don't think we can expect that kind of offensive consistency...
     


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    This thread is about tearing up the script, that teams are blitzing to mess up the script.

    But this article was written last year, when our script helped us to the 7th highest passing total in NFL history.

    This isn't about Schaub, it's about the script.
     
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    AJ took a step last year..... he didn't drop nothing..... he bulled people out of his way, he carried people across the goal line... he gave new meaning to the word "Beast"

    Matt Schaub became a play maker. improvising, creating, commanding.

    JJ became a playmaker, a serious, dependable threat.

    ****

    Now, AJ is dropping balls. I think he's playing hurt, & playing well, considering... but he's not that beast we saw last year.

    Schaub is back to square one. If the play isn't there, throw it away, even on third down.

    JJ has clearly taken a step back, & should be behind David Anderson on the depth chart.

    Winston looks almost as bad as he did his rookie year.

    ****

    I have no idea what is going on....... no idea why.....
     
  11. Texan_Bill

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    I'm not sure, and I hate to correct you, but I believe it was the 6th highest passing total in NFL history.... I could be wrong. AND yes, this thread is about tearing up the whole "script" approach.
     
  12. CloakNNNdagger

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    You stick with the same script long enough and a smart D coach will figure you out and make adjustments..........something we have had problems with not just this year, but for years. Is it that much to remember the long standing complaints of this team never being able to consistently put together 2 good halves? This year, last year, years past. Doesn't matter how many yards you put out if they don't usually lead to touch downs. If you lose 15 plays, that could mean 5 possessions..........easily a loss of a whole half.
     
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    Do you even bother to read the op's link?
     
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    Nobody uses the same script twice.... it's a new script put together for each game, each week.

    Last year, while we did have problems putting halves together, our opening drives were more consistently good than not. We scored as frequently as anyone on our first possession of the half.
     
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    I'm not arguing with the argument you made there.

    This thread turned into a "tear up the script now" I was pointing out (because it looked as if some had not noticed the original post's link)... that the article's argument isn't conclusive as they skipped all around 2009's 4th ranked offense.


    We may have been the exception to the rule, & it's finally caught up to us this year...

    But the point still would have been that we successfully used the script to beat those early blitzes.
     
  16. HOU-TEX

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    The article was written December 2007. I'm not sure where you got last year from.

    Anywho, Kubiak will run his script and I can practically guarantee he'll come out throwing. Without going back to look, I beleive we've come out throwing the first series of every damn game this year. Hell, last season too.

    The Jets tend to do exactly what the article mentions. They blitz the hell out of you to keep you off any type of rythm. Then they will pound the football until we submiss.
     
  17. Hervoyel

    Hervoyel The Right Track

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    This has been on my mind ever since Schaub wrapped up that very good 2009 campaign as the MVP of the Pro Bowl. "Great Player" or "Great Season"? I'm leaning towards the latter.

    I have been worried that what we saw in 2009 wasn't going to be typical of Schaub all year. That was his best but he's not a great player. He makes mistakes that a Manning, Brady, or Brees would never make and he makes those mistakes too consistently for them to written off as anomalies.

    I think of Schaub as just outside of the top ten QB's in the league. He'll have a great year every now and then that will put him in the top 5 but he's not consistently one of the 10 best QB's in the league. His accuracy is quesitonable a lot of the time and his arm is genuinely weak compared to the kind of guys he's typically compared to.

    The biggest problem to me seems to be that he's a streaky passer who mostly seems to be focused and reliable when the stakes are really high. Before that though he's kind of all over the place.

    Don't get me wrong, he's more or less good enough to win with. He's just not going to carry your team anywhere in particular on his own. Pretty low on our list of problems I think but still, to say our QB situation couldn't be upgraded would be a mistake. I don't think Schaub was, in hindsight worth a pair of 2's. I think we overpaid for him but I'm not upset or particularly critical about that. It was worth a shot.
     
  18. Texans_Chick

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    Actually, I think the biggest issues for the Texans is this.

    They've been most effective with their offense when they increase the tempo and don't do too much pre-snap movement to get defenses thinking. They've done this to get more offensive snaps.

    HOWEVER

    They want to chew clock on offense because their defense is so bad. Increasing the offensive tempo better work or you are just turning the ball over faster.

    I'm not sure what the Texans offensive game plan is going to be this week. Hurt Schaub. The Texans running game was not very effective in the first half against the Jaguars.

    As for the use of the script, it is my understanding that the Shanahan-tree of script makers either stays very close to the script if it is working, or completely strays if the game plan is getting crushed. Really the purpose of the script is to see defensive tendencies (especially where the safeties are playing), and to use that information later in the game to blow defenses up.

    Eric Winston said after the Jets game that he wishes that they got to face them again. Hmmm. I think that the Texans are going to have to play very patient ball but their defense may not give them that luxury.
     
  19. Ole Miss Texan

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    I could be completely wrong so don't hold me to this... but I believe Kubiak goes the route you kind of suggest. I don't think he has print out of plays 1-15. I think he's got the first several series or plays scripted to an extent but that it's dependant on down and distance.
    Not to break from the point of the OP but I find it funny you mention elite players being the ones that excel year in and year out... yet you mention Foster who hasn't even played a full season yet.
     
  20. Ole Miss Texan

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    Good post TC. I have that same feeling of quicker tempo being better for us yet at the same time we want to chew up the clock (or at least give our defense some real time to rest).

    I also want the Texans to pound the ball with Foster early and often. This accomplishes winning T.O.P. and tires the opposing defenses more. Plus we're good at it. This SHOULD keep opposing teams from scoring as many points early in the game so that we'll "always be in it". If we get down early, that's when other defenses feel more relaxed and can pin their ears back and get after Schaub.

    I agree too with what you mentioned about "scripted plays". I feel with this offense, a lot of what we do early on is setting the opposing defense up for the big plays AJ down the field.
     

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