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Takeaways from the Saints game.

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  1. Rich Schmidt

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    I am not backing BOB, but I think what happened was:
    - We needed to protect DW4 ASAP, and the guys here were not ready for 2019
    - They worked Miami to get a rd1, Clowney and RD2 for Tunsil. I looked at the math, and you cannot pay everyone so for 2019 you could have them both, but not beyond
    - Clowney had to agree, he blocked it, did not want to go to that dumpster fire
    - Now he would not play and forced hand to trade to Eagles/Seattle
    - We did him right and made it happen, he wins for sure
    - We added another pick to get Tunsil

    So after they did not get a deal, nor any bites before July 15, they tucked their tail and got on with it as Clowney likely only comes in then after week 8 or so.

    This is what I am sensing from all the public articles, only a couple of people know the whole story
     
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  2. mws

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    That all sounds reasonable. My deal is that after Clowny said no to Miami, if O'Brian could have swallowed his pride they could have signed a no trade clause to get him this year. Now maybe they tried and Clowny outright refused to play for the Texans. If so that is a different story.

    To me it seems that O'Brian wanted him gone bad enough that he was willing to pay a big chunk of his salary just to get 2 so so players. This is especially true if they would have gotten a third round compensatory pick if he left.
     
  3. Seegara

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    If we'd had Clowney, Brees would have drawn him offside, advancing 5 yards and stopping the clock.
     
  4. Seegara

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    Good. Now let's cut the jackass who left him in the game for the critical play.
     
  5. TheKDog

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    And the GM who didn't get a good slot corner in the off-season
     
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    leebigeztx Keep it Movin!

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    When Weiss was the oc in NE and they faced certain pass rushes, he would roll the pocket. It's a great way to get the qb away from the rush and reset the pocket. Also, they could've run the ball more. Hyde and Johnson looked good especially on the road.
     
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  7. maverick512000

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    No trade clauses are horrible for teams that have a lot invested in a player. Seattle could afford to do it because they got Clowney for cheap so if he walks on them hey they got a year out of him. You see no trade clause a lot in MLB and it can really screw up a deal that you have worked months on. Go look at the story of Verlander coming here and now try and translate that to the NFL.

    Pride had nothing to do with that, signing Clowney to a no trade would have been even dumber than trading him for what we did.
     
  8. mws

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    I'm curious how it could be worse. We are only talking one year here. We would pay him and he would play. Then next year when he left we would probably get a third round compensatory draft choice which is what Seattle gave us. And we would have a much better defensive line.

    Instead we are spending 7 million just so he can play somewhere else and getting minimum pressure up front.

    I don't know how much Barkevious Mingo & Jacob Martin are making but I wonder between their salaries & the 7 million we are giving the Seahawks how much money we are really saving.
     
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  9. TheKDog

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    The Texans didn't have a lot invested in him. Only one year.
     
  10. maverick512000

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    :mcnugget:

    He was our 1.1
     




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  11. maverick512000

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    Clowney only had as much power as the Texans were willing to give him. If we tag him he has two choices, play on the tag or don’t play and lose out on a lot of money and, maybe, put a bad taste in other teams mouths.

    I don’t really know why they traded him, heard every theory from a BoB throwing a fit to them trying to do right by a Clowney by sending him where he wanted, but I would have tagged his ass and made him choose.

    If you give him a no trade clause though then you really have tied your hands and given him real power. Also I’m sure some on here better understand how compensatory picks work but for me there doesn’t seem to be much rhyme or reason and it’s a lot of voodoo math so I wouldn’t trust it.
     
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  12. mws

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    I saw Clowney's interview when he arrived in Seattle. One reporter asked him about wanting to get traded & Clowny flat out said it wasn't him that wanted to get traded. That it was the Texans that wanted it. He only said "if you are going to trade me this is where I want to go". Now I know that he could be blowing smoke but it fits with the way O'Brian has alienated other players.
     
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    I'm talking about what's left on his contract obviously. That's all that matters when considering a no trade clause.
     
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    Yes this is what was being reported the entire time. He wanted to play on the tag here but didn't sign it when he found out they would trade him to Miami.
     
  15. Mangler

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    Although I agree that Colvin screwed the pooch on the very last play that should have sealed an incredible win for the Texans, I can’t help but still blame Crennel for such a poor showing of defense last night. So many missed tackles, Kamara running all over the 2nd level to the point of having the entire secondary looking like a bunch of special ed kids.

    Colvin was probably THE worse player on that defense, but he wasn’t the only one missing tackles. Our defense looked terrible as a whole. Hats off to Bmac and Merci though! Romeo better turn this sh1t around!
     
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  16. mws

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    It goes a lot deeper than just the last 37 seconds. The Saints ran over us in the second half. Our defense only came up with one stop.

    Saints 6 drives in the second half:

    1. Touchdown
    2. Touchdown
    3. Touchdown
    4. Punt
    5. Field goal
    6. Field goal
     
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    Sux don't it?
     
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    Biggest takeaway that not many people talk about: our running game was really good and Hyde especially looked better than expected. I know it’s only one game but we might have the best running back room since Foster was here...
     
  19. thunderkyss

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    & he might have had Colvin played it differently.

    So there's 3 defenders you can't even see on the screen when the ball is snapped. Let's say Colvin plays it differently, Ginn gets behind him & our safeties tackle Ginn at the 35. Or Ginn catches the ball, gives himself up at the 35 & calls a timeout.

    Now Lutz is kicking a 52 yard FG instead of a 58.

    I mean we can assume Colvin wasn't going to stop Ginn from catching that ball right?

    Brees had a perfect passer rating against him.
     
  20. Honoring Earl 34

    Honoring Earl 34 Something Witty !

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    If Thorn was lined up against Colvin in that situation , Brees is going to Thorn .
     

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