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Can someone tell me how are young OL guys are doing? I rarely get a chance to see them. Does it look like any of them will be able to step up and be the answer at their respective positions?
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White has been the only one to see any PT. He's done just as well as Flanny, if not better.Can someone tell me how are young OL guys are doing? I rarely get a chance to see them. Does it look like any of them will be able to step up and be the answer at their respective positions?
Well at least that's one less position for us to draft! Now we just need an RB, LT, CB1, FS, OLB, and pass rushing DE!!!White has been the only one to see any PT. He's done just as well as Flanny, if not better.
Studdard has a pulled Hamstring or groin.
Frye has been moved up to the roster as a swing tackle, but has yet to see any time on the field.
I can agree with that. Maybe not exactly in that order. I'd add a Center too.Well at least that's one less position for us to draft! Now we just need an RB, LT, CB1, FS, OLB, and pass rushing DE!!!
No, he'll be in camp for next season.What's the status on Spencer? Is he coming back this year?
They have to either have him start practicing next week (and there have been no indications they will do so) or they have to place him on IR. If they do practice him, they have three weeks for practice and then must either activate him to the roster or put him on IR.What's the status on Spencer? Is he coming back this year?
Wait, I thought White was playing Center now??I can agree with that. Maybe not exactly in that order. I'd add a Center too.
Oh heck, we need alot.
Wait, wait, wait. No one has said Spencer will be back next year let alone this year. They are hopeful he will return next season, but that injury may keep him from being an effective LT if he can play at all. We seem to keep forgetting he has basically 2 games NFL experience. Sure he looked good those few plays, but do we risk Carr, er Schaub? White may win starter by end of this season but again nothing has shown that as a "gimme". I did not see last game but some said Flannagan played well. As most of you know, I am not his fan, but White has not shown much so far. I can not see LT not being addressed during draft, even if we knew C.S. was going to play LT in 08. I agree we have to pick up another solid LT in Free Agency (but who?) and imo 1st round. I have see some info that Baker may drop into 10-14 area.While I haven't seen White get many snaps, I really hope that the coaching staff gets him more involved the second half of the season. The coaches raved about this guy in the off-season and all indications are that he has held his own in the limited action seen. The drop-off at center since Steve went down has been noticeable, so I am not sure that we lose too much by getting this guy in the mix.
If White were to prove able to assume the starters responsibilities, we have a lot of options going into next season. Studdard and Frye both needed a season to grow and learn the professional level, but both of these guys, together with Spencer's return gives us another three young guys with the opportunity to solidify this line. Despite popular thought, we have drafted young talent at this spot, but the OL players take some time to develop and injuries have hurt us, so hopefully with a year of seasoning at the professional level, one or two of these guys prove to be worth the draft pick. I don't know anything about Frye, but I did see Studdard play for four years at UT and I believe that he has what it takes to push for playing time.
You have to believe we either bring in a solid veteran OR use a first day pick to bring in one more body, so with White - that would be five new players to fix one of the weakest links on this team.
You are not going to find an OLT in free agency who's price tag isn't dear. You can forget that one. There is a wave currently going on at OLT in the NFL. Old gerneration out. New generation in. Just hope we are sitting on a good one when the music quits playing. Been some good prospects the last three drafts. Be another good class this year. Doesn't mean it will always be that way.Wait, wait, wait. No one has said Spencer will be back next year let alone this year. They are hopeful he will return next season, but that injury may keep him from being an effective LT if he can play at all. We seem to keep forgetting he has basically 2 games NFL experience. Sure he looked good those few plays, but do we risk Carr, er Schaub? White may win starter by end of this season but again nothing has shown that as a "gimme". I did not see last game but some said Flannagan played well. As most of you know, I am not his fan, but White has not shown much so far. I can not see LT not being addressed during draft, even if we knew C.S. was going to play LT in 08. I agree we have to pick up another solid LT in Free Agency (but who?) and imo 1st round. I have see some info that Baker may drop into 10-14 area.
I agree 100%, but when I said that in another thread I was soundly attacked.You are not going to find an OLT in free agency who's price tag isn't dear. You can forget that one. There is a wave currently going on at OLT in the NFL. Old gerneration out. New generation in. Just hope we are sitting on a good one when the music quits playing. Been some good prospects the last three drafts. Be another good class this year. Doesn't mean it will always be that way.
Sorry to burst your bubble DT, but we will still need to get a Center in the Draft, FA or Trade (I prefer Draft myself). If White is the answer at Center that's great, but I don't think Flanagan will be back next year, due to his age (14th season), not being a good run blocker and being slow. McKinney may be back next season, but if he is, will he be as good? It will be his 12th year, so he has to be slowing down some, even if he didn't injure himself.Well at least that's one less position for us to draft! Now we just need an RB, LT, CB1, FS, OLB, and pass rushing DE!!!
TTP, if we don't trade back and get extra picks, and say we get Stewart (or CB) in the 1st round, I'm thinking there will be some good LT's still out there on the board. Personally, I wouldn't mind them getting that hoss you brought up on another thread, Heath Benedict. He's flying low under the radar now, but come Combine time, he may shoot up the boards and out of range for us.You are not going to find an OLT in free agency who's price tag isn't dear. You can forget that one. There is a wave currently going on at OLT in the NFL. Old gerneration out. New generation in. Just hope we are sitting on a good one when the music quits playing. Been some good prospects the last three drafts. Be another good class this year. Doesn't mean it will always be that way.
You shouldn't have been surprised. The Texans have a history of not starting the best players they have available on the offensive line. It is part of the team culture, and a big part of the continuing o-line problems.White looked stellar against San Diego. (despite the outcome) He came in during the first quarter when Flannigan went down with a head injury. He doesn't get much attention as the third string Center but I was very surprised to see Flannigan back under center for the Raider game.
Sorry to burst your bubble DT, but we will still need to get a Center in the Draft, FA or Trade (I prefer Draft myself). If White is the answer at Center that's great, but I don't think Flanagan will be back next year, due to his age (14th season), not being a good run blocker and being slow. McKinney may be back next season, but if he is, will he be as good? It will be his 12th year, so he has to be slowing down some, even if he didn't injure himself.
We need to start grooming a young stud Center in there in case McKinney and Flanagan don't come back next year. If they do come back, and that's a big IF at this point, we can always put the young Center on the Practice Squad. I know there's a risk of losing them, but at this point, I seriously doubt both McKinney and Flanagan will be back to play next year at 100%. I just don't see it. JMHO!
TTP,If we follow this scenario, it still leaves us without a Center or finding one in later rounds, and I think finding a Center this Offseason is as important as getting a LT. Most good Centers are usually gone by the middle of the 3rd round. So to me, it seems that it will be critical this Offseason, to find a way to pickup a 2nd rounder or another 3rd rounder, so we can get that "stud Center" we need and still get a good LT. JMHO!
I don't believe they'll get the trade down deal. The Mocks I'm seeing and agreed they are very early....everyone is going to get healthy if they stand pat...including the Texans. What you are saying posting a move down scenario is saying someone is going to lose their minds over prospect and make us an offer. Or...we move back at a lesser value and keep moving back untill the need and the BPA meet. What you are giving up by doing this isTTP, if we don't trade back and get extra picks, and say we get Stewart (or CB) in the 1st round, I'm thinking there will be some good LT's still out there on the board. Personally, I wouldn't mind them getting that hoss you brought up on another thread, Heath Benedict. He's flying low under the radar now, but come Combine time, he may shoot up the boards and out of range for us.
If we follow this scenario, it still leaves us without a Center or finding one in later rounds, and I think finding a Center this Offseason is as important as getting a LT. Most good Centers are usually gone by the middle of the 3rd round. So to me, it seems that it will be critical this Offseason, to find a way to pickup a 2nd rounder or another 3rd rounder, so we can get that "stud Center" we need and still get a good LT. JMHO!
Are ya'll not paying attention?!? This kid is gonna be great! I think there is some truth to the fact that his playbook knowledge may be limited, not to mention that Flannigan has his spot in Kubiak's eye. But Flannigan is 86 years old... and SUCKS! McKinney will be back next year and White will be competing for that job. I guarantee it!
I don't disagree with anything you have said, my point is that - given the opportunity - we could have some missing peices of the puzzle. Sure, Flannagan may have had a better game against the Raiders, but do we really think he is the long term answer? Flannagan may have the edge against White today, but we need to get White more snaps to determine what the up-side will be. Maybe Spencer won't ever be an effective LT, but maybe he can be pushed over to guard?Wait, wait, wait. No one has said Spencer will be back next year let alone this year. They are hopeful he will return next season, but that injury may keep him from being an effective LT if he can play at all. We seem to keep forgetting he has basically 2 games NFL experience. Sure he looked good those few plays, but do we risk Carr, er Schaub? White may win starter by end of this season but again nothing has shown that as a "gimme". I did not see last game but some said Flannagan played well. As most of you know, I am not his fan, but White has not shown much so far. I can not see LT not being addressed during draft, even if we knew C.S. was going to play LT in 08. I agree we have to pick up another solid LT in Free Agency (but who?) and imo 1st round. I have see some info that Baker may drop into 10-14 area.