Steve Jackson - How 'Bout Dem Rams!

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  1. Mistril48

    Mistril48 All Pro

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    Many draft prognosticators thought that the C'boys were fortunate indeed that Steve Jackson had fallen into their laps at the 22nd pick. Exactly what they needed ... a better RB than Troy Hambrick to help in the development of Quincy Carter. Most were shocked when the C'boys passed on Jackson, or any first round selection, by trading with the Bills. It will be great for them to have an additional first round pick in 2005, but after 3 years of 5-11 and finally showing some improvement last year, should they have delayed trying to improve their team?

    How did Steve Jackson do last night, against C'boy rival Redskins?

    25 runs for 125 yds (5.0 yd ave), plus 1 TD - 2 rec for 10 yds.

    How 'Bout 'Dem Rams!
     
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    Here's a story on the game.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap;_...1ODYxMDU5BHNlYwN0aA--?gid=20040827014&prov=ap
     
  3. beerlover

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    Vindication :hehe: oh its only pre-season :crazy: Steven Jackson was in my top 10 draft board, his intelligence & character where completly over looked for him to slip this far. Dallas looks like *****s.

    This guy is special, he is a five tool rb that has sure hands, does not fumble, great footwork, speed, power & catches the ball out of the backfield as well as Marshall Faulk with much bigger size.
     
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    2004 Pre-season stats...

    Steven Jackson - 54 carries, 251 yards (4.6 avg.), 2 TDs, long of 18

    Julius Jones - 22 carries, 113 yards (5.1 avg.), 1 TD, long of 16

    A couple of other points...

    1. Because Jones was a 2nd round pick, his contract isn't near what Jackson's is. So which team is getting more value from their pick?

    2. Dallas also has an extra first round pick in the next draft.

    Yeah, Dallas really came out looking stupid in this deal. :rolleyes:
     
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    I'll wait till next years draft to see who Dallas gets with the Bills first round pick before I pass a judgement on this deal....
     
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    He runs in an upright style a lot like Eric Dickerson. If he turns out to be anything like E.D., the Rams got a gem.
     
  7. Huge

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    I think he's (Jackson) a better RB overall as well. But to say Dallas looks stupid in this deal (not implying you're the one that said it) when Jones is performing at the same, if not higher, level as Jackson (while paying him less than what the Rams are paying Jackson) ON TOP of getting an extra first round pick is asinine.

    But that's just my thinking.
     
  8. cuppacoffee

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    Not too sure Jackson is better overall.
    I still think Dallas made out like a bandit getting Julius Jones when they did.
    We will have a better idea by the end of the year. :twocents:

    And I don't even like the boys, or most of their fans.
    (Huge excepted :thumbup )
     
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    Jackons on paper, wow he's a good back

    When you watch him.


    Who is this chump?
     
  10. beerlover

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    Yeah HUGE good to see you return to the Texans board as in the past we disagree :rolleyes: Your rationalizing that Julius Jones is a better back than Steven Jackson because the Cowboys saved money, picked up a high pick in 2005 from Buffalo & Julius Jones is performing @ a higher level. OK maybe your right, good luck to you & your beloved Cowboys, ride Julius onto the Superbowl, if he has anything left by the time your ready to compete at that level which I'm sorry to inform you isn't anytime soon.

    Seriously Julius Jones is a one dimensional back, he does have break away speed but hey so does Tony Hollings. He cant' block worth ****, he fumbles and his hands somehow fail to grasp a football in pass routes. When Dallas had the chance to draft the best all around back Steven Jackson who CAN block, respectable solid avg. yard per carry, rarely fumbles has the best pair of receiving hands coming out of the backfield since Faulk (who is mentoring him) & rock solid family background with straight A's in College. :crazy:

    Enough I digress Buffalo looks the worst for the deal, granted. Dallas raked them bad of course who would have known J. P. Losman would get hurt so early on. That draft pick should help the Cowboys NEXT year. Julius looks like a solid prospect but NOT A FRANCHISE RB. The Dallas Cowboys passed on the best who was still available at their pick, because they wanted to save money? How do they save money when the pick from Buffalo may be a high 1st round selection? If Jones is successful won't he demand a big, fat Emmitt Smith re-negoiated contract? Either way Dallas is screwed, meanwhile the RB they passed on succeeds Marshall Fauk in St. Louis, better for Steven anyway he gets to play in a great offense desinged to take advantage of mismatches & atheltic abilties something that does not happen near as often at least since Michael Irvin in Dallas. :cool:
     
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    And drafting Steven Jackson instead of Julius Jones would've helped Dallas reach the Super Bowl quicker how?

    2003 NCAA Stats -

    Jones - 229 carries, 3 fumbles/2 lost (1 fumble every 76 carries)

    If Jackson averaged fewer fumbles than that per carry, I'll concede this point. But 1 fumble every 76 carries is pretty good.

    Marshall Faulk came in to the league in '94. That was 10 years ago. Are you sure Jackson has the best hands since then or are you just exaggerating in hopes of making your point look better?

    BTW, Jones has almost as many yards receiving (31) with his 3 catches as Jackson does (34) with his 8 catches in the pre-season thus far. With a 4.3 yards per reception average, Jackson would be better off running the ball instead (4.6 avg). But hey, Jackson sure is catching a lot of balls in an offense that will take advantage of his athletic ability. :rolleyes:

    Julius Jones went to Notre Dame. Do you understand the significance of just being able to enroll into an academic institution like that? It's certainly more impressive than pulling down straight A's at Oregon State (Tier 3).

    Had Losman not broken his leg, the Bills would've gotten the better end of the deal?

    And if the pick will help NEXT year...how is that bad? Would you rather build a team that can win one Super Bowl then disappear or have a team that will have the opportunity to win many Super Bowls? I'm not saying this is the situation Dallas is in but the concept is the same.

    And where did I say Dallas drafted Jones because they wanted to save money? I just said they were getting better value out of him. And if you can dispute this given both RB's production in pre-season thus far and the differences in their contracts, knock yourself out.

    Will Jones want a bigger contract if he's successful? Sure. Is Steven Jackson going to ask for the same contract he signed this year if he's successful?
     
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    Ahh, common ground between a girls fan and a Texans fan. :thumbup

    Can you tell I'm also an Irish fan? ;)
     
  13. WWJD

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    You won't be able to tell for a year or more who got the best of the deal here.

    Bill Parcells said he wanted JJ all along. That would seem to be the truth since he traded down to get him and also got a 1st round pick for next year.

    As far as Hollings he's done great for a guy in his situation. He hasn't even been a running back that long. Excuse the fumbles and what is his weakness? He runs hard and he gets tough yards.
    I don't think he's done badly at all.
     
  14. Mistril48

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    Can someone refresh my memory. Wasn't 'Dr.' Julius Jones out of Notre Dame for a year with academic problems? Granted, picking up a player who lets his teammates down one year (see Keyshawn) doesn't seem to be a problem with the C'boys ...
     
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    I think he did miss a year because of academics. But he came back for his senior year I guess and had a good one so I guess he got his grades back to an acceptable level. I'm sure he probably wish it hadn't happened but I don't know that it makes much of a difference as to what kind of running back he is or even what sort of person he is.

    Lots of kids have trouble in school. I've never heard him speak about it but I would guess he probably disappointed a lot of people including himself. You live and learn and move on. And he's moving on.
     
  16. HowBoutThemCowboys!

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    Parcells will do the same thing he did when be gambled with Curtis Martin and make JJ the a great running back. Besides guys we dont know who's better yet, though JJ has had a great pre season we're not sure if he's better than Jackson. We got to wait and see.

    Now do I say that move was stupid? Absolutely not, if JJ performs like he's been doing in the pre season, it was a steal, plus we get a 1st round pick in 05'. I say BP made the right call and I tip my hat to him
     
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    No hopefully Steven Jackson will become a Texan at that point. :hehe:
     
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    I agree that lot's of college football players don't take their academic requirements seriously. I would not have mentioned it if HUGE had not suggested that being admitted into Notre Dame (apparently his SAT had just one question - what's your 40 time?) gave him some kind of free pass in a character comparison with Steve Jackson.

    I disagree. I think it is one thing to choose not to try and better yourself in school, perhaps because you feel you're going to the NFL. Its another thing entirely to ignore your academic responsibilities to the extent that you are not available to help the team. It may not happen again, but he still should be viewed as someone who previously let those down who were counting on him.
     
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    Any word on when the C'boys are going to turn him out against players who will actually make NFL rosters?
     
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    The fact he was able to make it back into Notre Dame speaks volumes about his character. Funny how that's overlooked in this discussion.

    Parcells doesn't have Eddie George? The RB who happens to have the highest average of attempts per game of any RB in the league over the past several years? Not to say I expect a lot of production from George (I'd be shocked if he eclipsed the 4.0 mark). But I'd like your opinion as to why you think Jones will be carrying the load. If so, why would that be a bad thing?

    So if the San Francisco Giants draft a new LF, should Barry Bonds be able to teach him to hit HRs in the same fashion? This is basically what you're saying. Faulk is great at catching the ball (be it out of the backfield or lined up as a WR) so he'll be able to pass this on to Jackson. As far as having a mentor, refer to the fore mentioned George.

    Any luck coming up with Jackson's fumbles this past year or were you going to dodge that topic since Jones' were brought up?

    Agreed. So what are you basing Jackson's superiority on? What he did in college?

    You just used the Wonderlick test as a measuring device for academic standards. I'd explain how dumb this look but I don't think you'd get it.

    Need a better example? Quincy Carter scored a 30 on his test. Guess after football he'll be finding a cure for cancer.

    Who says they have to use both first round picks on players? I'm actually hoping they trade one of them and try to pick up two more 1st rounders (a late first in '05 and another in '06).

    Fitting them under the salary cap will not be a problem. Teams (especially Dallas after all the trouble they had) are much better at managing the cap now than they were 10 years ago.

    As of now, neither have proven to be of any value.

    A late 1st rounder that becomes your franchise RB is a great value. But a mid-2nd rounder that also fetched you an additional 1st round pick and plays with a lesser contract that becomes you franchise RB is a better value.

    And spare me the "Jackson is a franchise RB...Jones is not" because you've got nothing to base it on other than Jackson's first round draft status. If this is your logic, you must not have high hopes for Domanick Davis.

    Again, you must not hold a high opinion of Davis.
     

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