State of the O-line

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  1. JB

    JB Old Curmudgeon

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    It's much too early to call the 2019 draft either way
     
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  2. sandman

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    So because DBrown never had to do it, it is the wrong thing to do with Howard? Every player is different. How about we go through more than one pre-season game before determining that his career has been ruined.
     
  3. maverick512000

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    Forbes disagrees

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...ckers-defense-looks-like-a-top-10-outfit/amp/
     
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  4. Uncle Rico

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    How's that working out for Howard? Hmm. Dillard seems to be playing great HMM. Maybe not having to learn a new position, a new technique, a thousand different blocking assignment helps. Who would have known!

    Point is if offensive guard was designated as positions to improve the team could have drafted BETTER guards LATER in the draft and selected the best skill player available (CB) instead of project tackle, who needs to suck at guard first before we can figure out if he will suck at tackle. Nobody is saying his career is ruined. I see skill when he is tasked with playing the position he has played ALL HIS LIFE!! If this team keeps moving him back and forth then I can see his confidence slide and ultimately flaming out.

    What is the benefit of playing guard first since you seem to hold it in high regard? Reps? Its a completely different position, with physical needs and techniques COMPLETELY different from playing tackle. Asking a D2 rookie to come in and learn both positions is folly.
     
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  5. Texansballer74

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    Most definitely. Have to give them at least 3 years.
     
  6. IDEXAN

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    Yes if that's case they certainly did mishandle or mismanage the first round pick but I got NP with using a late second round pick
    on a quality interior Olineman (G/C), except the last time the Texans used a second round pick on a guard it involved the X-man and we know that was a bust.
    Jeez lets hope the intent for Howard is not to play guard.
     
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  7. Uncle Rico

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    Point about the bad draft strategy was that they could have taken a CB first or whoever the most dynamic player was at that point and still went ahead and went G/G in the 2nd. Not so much about the positions, just the order of things. They cornered themselves going for need and it bit them in the ass. You cant tell us that you valued a guy in round 1 so highly as a tackle only to realize he's better at guard, and then everyone's all "well im glad we got a starting guard at least" its mismanaged. Interior line guys are plentiful in the mid rounds. Not early in 1 and 2b and if you DO go that route you better get cream of the crop G/C that early. Michael Dieter, Erik McCoy, Elgton Jenkins, Connor McGovern, Cody Ford were all guys who would probably be great guards in the NFL. You could have drafted Deandre Baker, Byron Murphy, or taken a flyer on Montez Sweat with the Clowney situation looming and then addressed your guards and dealt with the bad tackle play next year - it would have been at least a more coordinated attack. So many more constructive things instead of drafting your franchise tackle at 23 then playing him at guard for a year. Same with your 2nd round tackle who should be getting groomed to be the RT of the future. Strange days.
     
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  8. Mr teX

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    All those acting like its some kind of strange way for these guys to be broken into the league..here's an update on some of these other potential tackles we could've moved down & taken.

    Cody Ford is learning both guard & tackle for the bills....https://www.wivb.com/sports/ford-johnson-among-players-praised-by-mcdermott/

    Kaleb McGary - Fairly sure he hasn't even played in preseason this year due to injury. Also about to undergo another heart procedure but has been working with the 2nd team at right tackle.

    haven't heard anything on Taylor or Little.
     
  9. Honoring Earl 34

    Honoring Earl 34 Something Witty !

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    Brown also had Alex Gibbs as a coach . Not sure if Howard gets rotated because of ability or because of coaching . I've seen it done both ways as a way to teach a player how to play the OL . I would draft an OT to play OT and a guard to play guard .
     
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    I think something that's missing in the discussion of starting Howard at G and moving him to T is there's an underlying assumption that after acclimating to G (if he's able to) that he'll be able to transition to T successfully. It's an unknown. It means that we'll be going into a draft looking for a G to take Howards spot still unsure if he's able to handle T duties. If he's not able to transition to T, it means that we should have drafted a T instead of a G. And we're not even sure if we need a G because Rankin may be able to play the position but Howard & Scharping are getting the majority of those looks. We have an ongoing problem of not knowing what players are capable of because they're not getting the looks they need at the right position and unsure of who to draft because we don't even know what our needs are. Get the guys at the position they're supposed to play in from the beginning. Cross train centers and guards. Not guards and tackles.
     


  11. Mr teX

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    Ok. That's 1 very drab version of how it could go.

    Koolaid version: Howard can transition over to tackle, Rankin slides into the LG position & Scharping stays at RG & we go into the draft possibly only looking for a RT to replace Henderson.


    Super Koolaid version:koolaid:: Howard can transition over to tackle, Rankin slides in the LG position, Scharping is able to slide out to RT & Fulton goes back to RG & we go into the draft looking at RB/Guard/Center.


    Liquid diabetes Koolaid version:koolaid::koolaid:: Howard is a stud at LG & stays there, Trent Williams is brought in to be the LT, Scharping is able to slide out to RT, & Fulton replaces him at RG, or we land a stud RG in the draft.


    I know its hard, but there are other versions of what could happen besides the horrible most grotesque version ya'll can imagine.
     
  12. TheKDog

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    Needing to Stop the Red Flags at Left Tackle
    The concern with Matt Kalil is how training camp practices have piled on him, and his play has gone down since day one. Some will say the Texas heat, or he is getting his body ready, but there is still plenty of concern to pay attention to.

    When paded practiced started on Kalil struggled with Whitney Mercilus and J.J. Watt, and it has progressively gotten worse. Add in some struggles in Green Bay, the issues for Kalil range from overall playing strength to slowing speed and power rushers down to down.

    Some thought processes will attempt to say wait until the regular season but the regular season remains a grind and injuries will mount. If training camp is only in week three, what will the story be like for Kalil starting a left tackle midway through the season with more wear and tear on his body?

    Joint practices is another test for the Texans to get one final look at him in a setting that will give them clear answers on Kalil. Even though there have been plenty along the way.

    Also, add in Roderick Johnson and how he fits into the picture of the offensive line. The Texans know what they have in Julién Davenport, but they are careful with him after sustaining a knee issue early in camp and trying to get him healthy. The Texans feel they have something with Johnson at offensive tackle and if they can get any returns from him at the position that would be a welcomed sight for the offense.

    https://mavensports.io/texans/news/...nst-the-detriot-lions-Z7H5yiWNak652Z-6L22ZWw/
     
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    Koolaid: we go into the draft unsure if Howard can play Tackle and Rankin can play guard.

    Super koolaid: go into draft unsure if Howard, Rankin & Scharping can play their proposed positions.

    To this point you're making my point for me. You're hoping all these things work out. There's a way to know if it would work out. Put them in those positions now.

    Liquid diabetes Koolaid: works for me. We now have someone we KNOW can play LT, we find out if Howard and Scharping can play the positions they may stay at. And I'll one up your liquid diabetes koolaid. Have Rankin play at RG and maybe it works and we can forget about the OL in the draft.
     
  14. TheKDog

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    @McClain_on_NFL: I don’t see Texans trading for LT Trent Williams.
     
  15. FuzzyLogic

    FuzzyLogic Mathematically Possible

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    So that means TW is on the plane to Houston?
     
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    First news I've heard Davenport having a knee issue.
     
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    He does have a suckage issue
     
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    If the Texans were to trade for Williams the liquid koolaid could happen by the middle of the yr.
     
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  19. Mr teX

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    All i'm saying is there's a ying to the yang. So much of what gets posted on this MB these days is doom & gloom. We've got 1 of the brightest young stars at qb, & all people can really talk about on here is him getting injured. Thats just a horrible way to look at it. There's a flip side to that coin man.
     
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    First I've heard of Davenport sustaining knee issue in camp. Can anyone link to it from other than this source?
     

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