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State of the O-line

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  1. TheKDog

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    Well he didn't want to extend Shaub but Rick still threw him under the bus. The O'Brien would do the same to Rick.

    Who will do it to OBrien?
     
  2. steelbtexan

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    The signs of a dysfunctional org.
     
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  3. Pharaohcious

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    I'll throw him under a bus... how much you wanna pay me?
     
  4. TheKDog

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    I'll chip in $100
     
  5. Pharaohcious

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    I want what Clowneys going to get or i walk!
     
  6. TheKDog

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    We can start a GoFundMe
     
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    LOL
    you ain't Clowney
    ....close the door on your way out:D
     
  8. Pharaohcious

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    Fk it... Indianapolis here I come!
     
  9. TheKDog

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    NFL offensive line rankings: All 32 teams' units entering 2019


    31. HOUSTON TEXANS

    PROJECTED STARTING LINEUP:
    Left Tackle: Julie’n DavenportLeft Guard: Senio KelemeteCenter: Nick Martin
    Right Guard: Zach Fulton
    Right Tackle: Tytus Howard

    All things considered, the Houston Texans offensive line didn’t get much better on paper this offseason. Moves were made — including taking Howard (78.9) and Max Scharping(82.4) in the first two rounds of the 2019 NFL Draft and signing veteran Matt Kalil, who missed all of 2018 with an injury — but until those players live up to expectations, the Texans remain the bottom of the barrel


    https://www.profootballfocus.com/ne...il&utm_term=0_ae3f4210bf-3609a90333-216865417
     
  10. steelbtexan

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    SMH
     
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    SMH
     
  12. disaacks3

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    I'd wager that those aren't the starting five.
     
  13. steelbtexan

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    Hopefully not, or Watson won't make it through the season.
     
  14. TheKDog

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    My guess is they aren't including Khalil and Seantrel because they haven't been healthy in years. Khalil isn't even healthy now
     
  15. CWTexansFan

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    I'm surprised they weren't last. Sadly, that's improvement.
     
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    That small, seemingly innocuously little phrase, screams .... "that's our MO .... we may not live up to your expectations .... but we're the only game in town" !
     
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  17. TheKDog

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    Can't get any worse! Until it does.
     
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    HOUSTON -- TheHouston Texanswere worst in the league in giving up sacks in 2018, and although the offensive line does need to improve, coach Bill O'Brien has been quick to point out the problem goes beyond that.
    Deshaun Watson, offensive line share blame for Texans' league-high 62 sacks
    While offensive linemen are judged by the number of sacks allowed, NFLNext GenStats has a newer metric that helps measure how each individual lineman performed, called pass-block win rates.
    The metric measures what percentage of the time a player has held a block for 2.5 seconds after the snap, which is the average time it takes a quarterback to get rid of the ball. Last season, centerNick Martinhad the highest score relative to his position of the Texans linemen to play a significant number of snaps. Martin held his block for 2.5 seconds or longer 83 percent of the time. The league average for centers is 79 percent. Tackle Julien Davenport (82 percent) and guardSenio Kelemete(83 percent) finished higher than average for their positions. RookieMartinas Rankin, who filled in for an injuredSeantrel Hendersonin 2018 and probably will primarily play guard going forward, had a pass-block win rate of 78 percent.

    Outside of backup center/guardGreg Mancz, the offensive linemen were around the average for their position. As a team during the regular season, the Texans ranked 16th in pass-block win rate.

    This doesn't mean there is no room for improvement for the offensive line -- it was certainly still an area of weakness -- but it shows there might be another reason that quarterbackDeshaun Watsonwas sacked 62 times in 2018. Watson's average time to throw last season was 3.01 seconds, which ranked third worst among passer rating qualified passers. This shows that at least part of the time, the reason Watson is under pressure is because he's holding on to the ball for too long.

    Of course, one of the reasons Watson has had so much success -- throwing 45 touchdown passes in 23 career games -- is because by holding on to the ball and extending plays, he can also make some incredible things happen, especially after a play has broken down.

    "Sometimes, I could get rid of the ball. I guess it depends on the situation," Watson said. "But I tell everyone, and OB [O'Brien] tells everyone, too: As long as I'm in the game and I have the ball in my hands, the play is never over until it's over.
    "I mean, there are times where you can say I held it on and you can say the ball could have got out quicker [or] you could say if I would have got out of that sack and made a play, then he didn't hold the ball too long. So I guess it depends on what the results are."
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    https://www.espn.com/blog/houston-t...ed-might-not-be-all-the-offensive-lines-fault
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    Very skewed numbers.

    Remember the time Watson held onto the for 10-15 seconds at the end of the Titans game.

    How many times did Davenport receive help from a TE? Remember all of the bitching going on around here due to lack of the use of the TE? Helping Davenport on a regular basis caused this effect.
     
  20. JB

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    Hopefully Carl Smith will help Watson improve the decision making a great deal and the WR's can be healthy most of the year
     
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