State of the O-line

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  1. thunderkyss

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    Tell me why you think this is?

    Then tell me what it means if it didn't.

    Then, tell me whether it did or didn't happen. Texans firing all the old scouts. Did it happen?
     
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    This is what happens when they release so little information, knowledge is power and they’re not sharing.
     
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    https://www.chron.com/sports/texans...ss-scouting-execs-Jimmy-Raye-Jon-12873074.php
    The Texans were expected to make changes to their personnel department under the leadership new general manager Brian Gaine as he took over for Rick Smith.


    One day after the NFL draft concluded, the Texans have dismissed assistant general manager Jimmy Raye III, director of college scouting Jon Carr, assistant director of college scouting Mike Martin, college scouting coordinator Matt Jansen and college scout Seth Turner, according to league sources not authorized to speak publicly. The Texans also let go of Lisa Andrzejewski, an administrative assistant in player personnel, and scouting intern Rory Pommerening.

    All were former Smith hires.


    Raye was hired as a vice president of player personnel and assistant general manager a year ago following a stint with the Indianapolis Colts as vice president of football operations.

    Raye had replaced Gaine when he went to the Buffalo Bills last year as vice president of player personnel. He was previously with the Chargers in San Diego for 17 years.


    Shortly after the season, the Texans let go of assistant pro personnel director Larry Wright, senior director of player engagement Sean Washington, pro scout Tolu Lasaki, director of sports science Erik Korem, football operations director Jason Lowrey, who's being sued by a former employee for sexual harassment, and Smith's longtime former secretary, Rita Daniels.


    Carr previously replaced now-New York Jets general manager as director of college scouting.

    He was previously a national college scout and had been with the team for over a decade.

    Martin had also been with the team for over a decade.

    He was promoted from college scout to his current position.

    Martin was instrumental in recommending and signing undrafted free agents that have included former Pro Bowl running back Arian Foster and Jacksonville Jaguars Pro Bowl cornerback A.J. Bouye and draft picks, including former Texans Pro Bowl offensive tackle Duane Brown.
     
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  4. steelbtexan

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    Cleaned house

    About time
     
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  5. TheKDog

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    I wonder if that was the source of the "friction." Obrien wanted to replace everyone and bring in his own scouts.

    Not sure why he needed to fire lower level people, but my guess is he would blame that whole staff for the fails of his offense.

    (Nevermind that they drafted pretty good on defense).

    Unfortunately I don't see any improvement offensively with the new scouts. But we're bigger faster and stronger with more height weight speed.

    Also at this point there really are no excuses for O'Brien. He has all his people in there.
     
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    I thought you meant all the old scouts. My bad. Next time I'll read between the lines. "All the old scouts" means "a bunch of people in the personnel dept that may or may not have been scouts."
     
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    Basically means he had to deflect the blame somewhere else.
     
  9. TheKDog

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    I think he wanted to do it from day 1
     
  10. steelbtexan

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    Replace the GM/Scouts? I agree

    Deflect the blame I disagree.
     
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  11. TheKDog

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    Replace the gm/scouts. There was no blame to deflect at that point
     
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  12. justmy2cents

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    The sad thing is .... there are sooo many names to follow "Belichick" before reaching "O'Brien". Far too often, we make half-hearted, kinda-sorta, reluctant-hesitant-reticent, draft selections. Then everyone with the team, every chance they get, blow the bugle and pound the drum, hoping the results become even vaguely true. I doubt if any, or many of us watch Texans 360 or Extra Points, on channel 13. About a week or two ago, they invited Lance Zerlein on to (finally), discuss the draft. About 10 words into his assessment of our offensive lineman choices, Drew Dougherty jumped in and interrupted Lance before he could assert better choices that we could have made. That is what gets me. Regardless of how inept the Texans look, act, or perform .... if the silver lining just isn't there .... paint one !
     
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    First, we really don't know whether it was really time for the fired folks to move along. Were there divided loyalties, grumbling, or an unwillingness to get fully on board with the regime change and revised ways of doing things? If so, then at least some of the fired folks brought this on themselves.

    From another perspective, in any business situation, it's typical for the bosses to push blame down to the support staff and subordinates. I've been caught up in that and know that it's very disheartening.

    That doesn't necessarily mean that cleaning house is the wrong thing for the organization, though.

    Are the folks in charge trying to cover their own incompetence? Maybe, but they probably don't see it that way. They likely think that if they had improvement in the support folks, they could do a better job themselves.

    I feel bad for the folks who lost their jobs. But only time will tell if this works to improve organizational results.
     
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    Just like new HCs bring in their guys for their coaching staff, it's common for a new GM to bring some folks in too.
     
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    Remember, this was Gaine coming back so he did not just swoop in and whack people, he should have known levels of comeptance, style, loyalty and fit pretty well when he took the job, so not a surprise. Many times I had the weakest link or non aligned leadership member moved off my staff when I got a new job. Focuses the mind and lets your staff know you expect teamwork, professionalism and delivery. Whether we like their decisions or not, this is the first time where I can honestly say there appears a plan and it is being executed, so I respect that. If the plan sucks we are doomed though!
     
  16. steelbtexan

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    I like this style of mgmt.
     
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    only if they can manage to keep the same starting five in the same spots during this time frame (also assuming no bad injuries).

    If O'Brien/Devlin are patient enough to do that, then you could be right.
     
  18. steelbtexan

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    They will find a way to screw it up. They're already playing with their shiny new toys, putting them all over the OL instead of letting them learn at the positions they are most likely to play in the regular season.
     
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    Agree completely. And folks shouldn't think that collaborative method is unique to the Texans.
     
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  20. TheKDog

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    Although it's not unheard of for the scouts to be overruled. Probably not a coincidence that we go after guys OBrien meets at the senior bowl or elsewhere
     
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