State of the O-line

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  1. steelbtexan

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    They were starting the best players in their opinion.
     
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    Appreciate the replay. I would like to discuss it a little further.

    Who else did they interview? Has he / she received any other other interviews? Got a job somewhere else?

    The fact they weren't chosen doesn't automatically mean they would have been a better choice.

    The Rooney rule has surely helped improve the status of minorities in the league offices, however, passing on a minority doesn't necessarily mean passing was a bad choice.

    Do you think it is a bad thing that our GM and coach seem to be on the same page now?

    Not trying to be argumentative but criticizing / questioning the choice, especially after the job he did last year seems a little premature.

    Not an Obrien apologist.

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    Even they didn't interview others, so what? Successful businesses go after leaders they think will be beneficial. What's wrong wiith it? Interviewing someone just because of their skin color is wrong
     
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    I agree with you it doesn't mean it's a bad choice. Gaine may be a very good GM and it's good they have alignment.

    My point was that if we move on from OBrien we should move on from gaine as well so we can start off with alignment in the next regime.

    Also I think in general better decisions get made if they do a thorough search. Maybe they end up with the same decision but maybe they learn something and go in a different direction
     
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    Not interviewing someone because of skin color is also wrong.

    It is a fact of life that many people (not aimed at any one individual) have a built in belief that dark skin color indicates an inferior intelligence. Proven wrong on so many levels. I don't think that it is intentional, but it is there. If those people can be "forced" to make an in depth look it might possibly show them that their "prejudice" is based on false beliefs.

    Whats wrong is quota's. Seen that first hand and it is also wrong on so many levels.

    Owners still the right to hire who they deem is the most qualified applicant.

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    I am not too sure but I think most franchises hire a GM first and then collaborate on finding a coach.

    But I wouldn't bet my lunch money on it. :)

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    you're right. Quota's and skin color should never be a part of any decision
     
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    Used tp be that way anywho
     
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    Not sure I agree with you, I never liked the idea of cleaning house. Just because one person was fired why should others that are doing their job well be fired. Guilt by association is a dangerous slope to slide down.

    I can understand why Texans fans would want this or think this way, but I think the case of BoB and Smith so far apart was more the exception than the norm. I could write a long post about why I think it was with those two but no one really cares so I'll spare everyone. It basically comes down to a first time GM and a first time HC both wanting to make their mark and not yet learning to play nice with others. Gaine at least has worked for other teams even if not as a GM.

    In most companies and corporations managers and such are moved around all the time and, after a few start up hiccups, things are expected to keep running. Also if we completely start over then we have basically gone into rebuild mode and with the talent on this team we don't need to be in rebuild mode.

    Let's let each person do their job and then judge them based on the job they do not on how someone did. Odds are if they do move on from BoB, Gaine will have a big hand in picking who the next HC will be so why wouldn't he pick someone he is on the same page as.

    Also consider this, if you clean house that means basically Cal and his team will be deciding the next hire themselves with no other input and the last time that happened BoB got an extension. Now we all know how much you loved that choice so do you really want to leave it totally in their hands again. :clown::kitten:
     
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    To me, it depends on how Gaine/BOB do. If they fall flat on their faces like Smithiak did in 2010 and it's obvious that they wont be bringing a Lombardi to Kirby then you clean house.

    How do you make that judgement? Well here's a clue, when you're coming off of a 9-7 season and your HC decides to have an elective surgery leaving your GM to make all of the evaluations at the combine and the team falls flat on it's face like they did in 2010, you fire everybody that was involved or you get what the Texans have been for the last 8 yrs. #CLEANHOUSE
     
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    Well Gaine inherited OB and in the past Gaine had no input in the hiring of OB. As far as any of you know, Gaine agreed to work "with" OB but if given the choice maybe he has a HC he'd like to hire.
     
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    We don't know he answer to that...........yet.

    I don't get the feeling that they are inseparable if one or he other doesn't measure up.

    Going by last years results though I believe Gaine did a better job using what he had to work with (draft choices) than Obrien did using what he had to work with. It has been discussed here at length the things Obrien could have done better working around poor Oline play.

    Gaine addressed the ST play and to my thinking he did an excellent job finding players for that.

    Found us a damn good safety in he draft too.

    I'm cautiously optimistic about the upcoming draft.

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    Why would you think BG would have a hand at all in picking our next HC. That's not the way McNair has ever done it. Capers was fired, Casserly was not involved in the coach search at all. Kubiak was fired, Smith had no say in the O'Brien hire at all.

    We have a new McNair so past experience doesn't necessarily mean anything. But we have nothing to suggest BG will be part of the HC replacement process.
     
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    I believe that Cal would be remiss if he didn't confer with his GM before hiring a new head coach.

    Not saying Gaine, or a new GM, would get a 'vote' but he should be asked for an opinion.

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    The defense will continue to be good because RAC is a good DC. The offense will continue to suck because OB isn't a good OC. I'm pretty sure the guy they are calling OC will call plays that look exactly like OB's poor play calling.
     
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    Then it might also be up to you know, the players to perform. This is likely as we will get some key players back from injury.
    Not forgetting also how good the O looked in Watson's first half dozen or so games.
    We also have a whole off season yet so I am not going doom and gloom until that actually happens.
     
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    Fix the OL, draft a WR to help out when Fuller gets hurt again and the doom and gloom will go away.
     
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    Gaine was hired after O'Brien, like a month after.


    https://www.battleredblog.com/2014/2/10/5398396/texans-hire-brian-gaine
     
  20. justmy2cents

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    It really is that simple .... I would add a RB. Seriously, exactly how, and with whom (specifically), would you fix the line. There are no wrong answers. You think about and research it as much as anyone, probably more. So, left to right, who would they be .... I'm genuinely curious ! Oh .... and you are the general manager, so we can run any offense and blocking scheme you like.
     

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