Someone explain how you go from 41-6 to 1-6.

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  1. Jagsbch

    Jagsbch Veteran

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    You all beat us last year by a 41-6 point margin, but you wind up 1-6. Please explain how something this aweful could happen to a team expected to be so good this year.:texflag:
     
  2. Kaiser Toro

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    Sit down with a bottle of 2002 Pinot Noir from the Russian River Valley and a cheese plate and comb through all of the threads. It will be an emotional rollercoaster. You will find many ideas/theories on this one.

    Please let me know if you find the reason.
     
  3. texan279

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    We were only 7-9 last year, not like we were such an awesome team last season, we just beat the Jags twice.
     
  4. beerlover

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    its just that our Superbowl is beating the Jaquars, if we played as well against the rest of the league the Texans would be 6-1 :sarcasm:
     
  5. jagibelieve

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    All I will say is I thought your record and the Titans would have been reversed. I didn't expect them to do as well as they have, and I thought you all would be fighting us to kill the Colts.:brickwall
     
  6. the wonger need food

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    It's a very easy question to answer really...

    Issues with the Texans offense, which has been horrible since week 9 of last season, were not addressed. Same horrible offensive line, no compliment to our once Pro Bowl WR and the same NFL 2nd-string equivelant QB.

    On defense, the leaders were released for "younger, faster", less experienced, less talented players and nothing was done to address the lack of a pass rush.

    And the same coaches that the team basically quit playing for last season are still here.

    A lot of us saw this coming. Unfortunately, our management did not and are now responsible for fielding one of the worst teams in the league.
     
  7. dat_boy_yec

    dat_boy_yec All Pro

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    Well I for one think there are alot of factors to our abysmal season. In addition to what Wonger said the coaching staff has become way too conservative. I think this compounds the problems because you dont weed out weak links by seeing who is and who isnt making plays. Bradford being retained was a mistake Sharper being let go was a mistake. I think its the coaches putting to much emphasis on potential and not working with what they had. I mean Pbuch is full of potential, but that dont mean hes playing up to it. David Carr is full of potential, but he isnt fullfilling it. Greenwood has potential but at the time was he better then Sharper I dont think so, can he get better yeah, but until he does (if he does) we took a loss. You get Pbuch instead of Pace theres something wrong. The team focused on improving the D supposedly but let to many things slide. I think this falls alot on the coach because he's out there with the players he knows or should know who is needed on the team and who isnt needed and act accordingly considering this last offseasons moves i dont think the front office or the coaching staff did any kinda good. Sometimes I dont agree with Wonger all the time but he does make good points. I love the texans and I think we got good pieces, we just need to start utilizing them.
     
  8. BillyBluenose

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    Our offensive line, or lack thereof.

    There may be other problems, but if we could upgrade one area of the team to a five star rating, a great offensive line would have the most effect.

    Not that we'll need it tomorrow, by the way.

    :headbang:

    My favorite game of the season.

    -Billy
     


  9. Texans_Chick

    Texans_Chick Utopian Dreamer

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    Hmmmm. Here's my try:

    1. Lots of young players or players new to the team. We start a lot of rookies. That's part of Green Bay's problem too.

    2. The new O-line experiment (Victor Riley) at the beginning of the season dint work so good. Doing the canning of Palmer early-season as opposed to after last season set the team back in learning whatever system they were going to run.

    3. Lots of injuries to key players: Gary Walker, Kailee Wong, Zach Weigert, Andre Johnson, Jason Babin, Jerome Mathis (at the beginning of the season). If your smart good players aren't out there, and your team is already pretty thin, you might be in some trouble. Lots of teams have injuries, but those injuries are magnified when your team has little depth and its players haven't been playing together for years.

    4. Loss of key veterans and their leadership-Sharper, Foreman, Glenn. It is hard to get the right mix of experience and youth, but when you are starting CC Brown, a nice hardworking guy but young, it means you don't have much depth.

    5. The expectations were kinda overblown--there was some optimism with as many returning players on offense, but the O-line just wasn't getting it done.

    6. Our defense has been not as good this year because they do not look comfortable playing together as a team yet. Our defense, which has bailed our team out in the past, is looking non-good. Getting more turnovers in recent weeks has helped.

    7. Like the Jags, we have had a very difficult early season. To date, the Jags have played the 3rd hardest schedule, and the Texans have played the 5th hardest schedule. Your team has done OK with it, but our team with the addition of new players, and players playing new positions to them or on new teams, didn't really have a chance to get its legs under it before it was being pounded by a healthy Pittsburgh at home, and Seahawks on the road, etc.

    Both the Jags (32nd easiest) and the Texans (23rd easiest) have an easier schedule as the year progresses. The undefeated Colts on the other hand have had the 31st easiest schedule so far this year, and its next games will be 8th hardest schedule.


    The preseason looked horrible and the first two games of the season were dreadful. After the bye, with the exception of the Seahawks game (key injuries on the road trying out a brand new line), each week the team is looking more like a football team. Special teams has been a nice surprise. It be nice if they could solve the 3rd and long problem. Little protect, sack. Max protect, no targets, sack.


    So, in sum, nothing would surprise me in tomorrow's game. I am not sure that this is a game I would pick for your suicide pool. The Jags might kill the Texans, but it would nonsurprise me if the Texans win either. I'd feel better if DD was feeling good.

    Go Texans!!!!:texflag:
     
  10. Marcus

    Marcus Ruthless pragmatist

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    It's so easy, simple, and convenient to blame the coaches for all that's gone wrong this season.

    Going 7-9 last season gave everyone the false impression that this was a team on the rise, but it was obvious that there were too many positions where they were overmatched talent wise, especially upfront, on both sides of the ball. They were downright lucky to win three of those games. Some were mad that they didn't go 8-8. But they are a 4-12 team that went 7-9.

    The biggest problem on defense is not the inside linebackers, it is the outside linebackers. In a 3-4 defense, if you don't get pressure from the edge, then the defense is lousy. Period.

    The bottom line is that this a football team that is still many years away from being a good one. Problem is that nobody wants to wait that long, so you have the typical head coach musical chairs game to keep us all entertained in the meantime.
     
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  11. GP

    GP Go Texans!

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    Last year's season-ending loss in week 17 to the lowly Browns (at Reliant Stadium in Houston, by the way...under a closed roof, by the way) was the straw that broke the camel's back in my opinion.

    We had always been a play-it-close-until-the-4th-quarter-game-and-try-to-win-it-at-the-end type of team (That's Capers' trademark, by the way). Nothing too fancy in terms of playcalling. Nothing too risky in terms of strategy, such as going for it on 4th down with a few inches to convert it...especially when you're in need of a TD and not a field goal. Our team's coaching staff has just gotten stuck in "expansion team" gear, which is first gear if you're driving a manual shift vehicle. Slow and steady wins the race, right? Nope. You just get your doors blown off at some point.

    And this team's players (Carr being the leader of the pack) is sick of it.

    We have EXPLOSIVE and DYNAMIC players who can take the game onto their shoulders and carry this whole team on their own: David Carr, Domanick Davis, and Andre Johnson are three of the NFL's most potentially dangerous trio of offensive players and yet we have a coaching staff that has only been able to create a "run zone blocking" scheme that has helped Domanick Davis emerge as a solid RB...but there's been neglect at the pass blocking skill set. Is it that these linemen are great zone blockers for the running game...but they sticnk at pass blocking? I don;t know. It's debateable.

    But I DO know this: Carr is fed up with the coaching staff. He's finding creative and subtle ways to undermine the coaching staff in what i think is way to get pressure put onto the owner to get rid of Capers and the majority of this staff (Which all of us WANT to happen). Ask somebody here about the whole "run audible" situation if you want to know more scoop. Carr, IMO, is tired of playing this game by this coaching staff's playbook. Period. And I don;t blame him. With this kind of talent (Carr, DD, and AJ) who can blame this team for laying down and screaming, "OK! OK! We give up! We'll just run your stupid HB dive over and over, Coach Capers. We'll do your run audible, Coach Capers. We'll play pee-wee football for you, Coach Capers. We get it, Coach Capers. We...get...it."

    Cleveland game last season was the last straw. Carr and other players had tried to buy into Capers' philosophy the whole way up until that game, but it just runs so obviously contrary to the talent and skill set of our trio Carr, DD, and AJ. They need better game planning from better coaches, and they need the freedom to work cooperatively with each other like Aikman, Irvin, and Emmit did. Those guys, much like Peyton, James, and Harrison, just KNEW each other forwards and backwards and were able to create and trust one another more than normal NFL teams. But this team's coaches can't let anybody else take the reins. No sir. Not possible. It's about as much like pee-wee football summer camp as you can get around here. The coaches are gods and the players are just mere children who need to know their role.

    I'm not asking for a team to give up all control to the players, but this is a new NFL. It ain't the old way of two teams of equally talented players just lining up and smashing each other all game long to a 6-3 battle of field goals. Today's NFL, IMO, is a lot like our military's war planning: It's precise, and it's lethal. No room for error. And our coaches are just stuck in first gear.

    That's my take.
     
  12. Honch Delgado

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    In one sentence: We are the end result of a disastrous off season along with expectations from the front office who believed we were better than we really are.
     
  13. Marcus

    Marcus Ruthless pragmatist

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    But I DO know this: Carr hasn't been around long enough, played long enough, or proven himself enough to even have the right to be "fed up "with any coaching staff.

    That's my take.

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  14. phan1

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    I think we just match up well against you guys. It doesn't matter what our records are, our games are always very competitive. We just know each other really well. Look at Dolphins versus Patriots last year. Dolphins suck, Patriots only lose 2 games (i think). Both their games go down the wire.
     

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