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  1. Blake

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    Patriots take Tebow in the 1st? Ummm, no.
     
  3. Blake

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    Updated 2/11/09

    Scott has us taking Brian Price and Toby Gerhart.

    A couple of notable players we pass on in RD1: Earl Thomas. Dan Williams. Patrick Robinson.

    A couple of notable players we pass on in RD2: Kyle Wilson. Daryl Washington.
     
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    Agreed. WTF is with Tebow in the first round? Especially to the Patriots who have 3 or 4 2nd round picks...
     
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    At this point , I'd be surprized if Tebow was taken in the 3rd round ....
     
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    If I was a team at the top like NE or NO then I would be very interested in using a 2nd or 3rd on Tebow. I wouldn't let him play QB though, I still think he can make a very good H Back in the NFL.
     
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    I think the Texans will use at least one of the first two picks on the secondary.
     
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    I don't like the Brian Price pick. I don't care how good he was in college, he's just another Amobi Okoye and we don't need another one. If I want a DT then give me Lamar Houston who had a far more productive college career then Gerald McCoy, Brian Price, and any other DT not named Ndamukong Suh.
     


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    I wouldn't pass on E.Thomas for Price. This draft is really deep at DT, with a dozen guys who could go by our 3rd pick. If Thomas or Iupati weren't there he would be one of my top choices though.

    Lamarr Houston
    Games: 50
    solo tackles: 86 (1.72/game)
    asst tackles: 50 (1/game)
    solo loss: 31 (0.62/game)
    asst loss: 9 (0.18/game)
    sacks: 13 (0.26/game)
    asst sacks: 2 (0.04/game)

    Brian Price
    Games: 35
    Solo Tackles: 75 (2.14/game)
    Asst tackles: 22 (0.63/game)
    solo loss: 41 (1.17/game)
    asst loss: 7 (0.2/game)
    Sacks: 12 (0.34/game)
    Asst Sacks: 1 (0.03/game)

    Price was better in 4 of 6 categories with more solo tackles, solo TFL, Assisted TFL, and sacks per game.

    Houston is a quality prospect, but Price is definitely rated higher by most people.
     
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    Houston is the same style DT that Price is. He holds up against the run but his best asset is his ability to shoot gaps and penetrate the pocket.
     
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    I'd rather have Dan Williams than Price. I would rather have Earl Thomas than both. Wow, me wanting a UT player...Hell just froze over.
     
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    How is he another Amobi Okoye?
     
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    Some people around here are under the impression that you cannot be successful with two gap penetrating DTs. They think that you "must" have a definitive NT.

    It's just untrue. There are plenty of teams that have been successful in the past and present by employing four pass rushers on the d line.

    Speed on defense is critical in the NFL and I would say that it is only absolutely necessary to have a big run stuffing NT if you run a 34. In any other style of defense it is a preference, not a necessity.
     
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    Okay, I was wrong. So if the Texans employ a two gap scheme for the DTs, does this explain why Amobi Okoye doesn't have eye-popping stats? Two-gap DTs main responsibilty is to keep linemen off of the linebackers, correct?

    So maybe Brian Price wouldn't be a bad idea, however, I think we could get another DT later on like Tyson Alualu.
     
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    I didn't mean two two gap DTs. I meant two single gap DTs. My wording may have been confusing.

    Based on the d line personnel the Texans have acquired in the past I assume that they want to run a single gap defense where every player has a spot to fill. Price fits that mold.
     
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    I hope he gets taken before then. I really don't want to tempt Bob McNair. You know how giddy he gets about choirboy football players.
     
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    Man, there is like a new mock draft on here every single day now. None of these mean anything at this point. We're so far away from the draft, that I just don't see the point of this. It's like one masturbation session after another about who the Texans might pick based off of some mocks that have no relevance right now.

    Hardly any of this will be anything good to gauge off of until you get a few weeks closer to the draft. Until then these mock drafts are about as relevant as a mock draft would be for the 2011 draft.
     
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    No way the Ravens pass on Earl Thomas. With Ed Reed seeking retirement as an option, they will not pass up a great FS at 23 for another WR. If the Texans don't take him at 19/20, the Ravens should snatch him up if the Packers don't either.

    The Tebow pick is just dumb. The Patriots could get him in the 3rd round if they wanted to, but with 3 2nd round picks, I don't see how they couldn't find a better RB if they wanted to use Tebow as a RB. The Patriots should be going for a secondary player in the first round. They need a lot of help with their pass defense.
     
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    Obviously the Texans defense doesnt run just one type of defense that requires just one type of DT, but the Texans seem to like having one one gap DT and one NT to eat up blockers like a Jeff Zagonia. Except it seemed that Jeff got quite a bit of pressure on QB's and RB's in the backfield.

    So do the Texans need a run stuffer/double team taker like NT Dan Williams, or another 1 gap shooter DT like Brian price?
     
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    With the way the NFL is drastically shifting to a passing league, I would prefer another one gap guy like Price. If we do that, we give up a little against the run but improve against the pass.

    At the end of the day though, I just want the best players on the field. If that means drafting Dan Williams then fine.
     

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