Schaub & Andre

Discussion in 'Texans Talk' started by thunderkyss, Dec 29, 2011.

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If Aj & Schaub were healthy all year, where was our ceiling

  1. Super Bowl Champs?

    57.3%
  2. AFC Champs?

    22.5%
  3. AFC Championship Appearance?

    16.9%
  4. One & Done?

    3.4%
  1. thunderkyss

    thunderkyss Salem Poor

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    If they had both stayed healthy all year, Where do you think our ceiling would've been?

    Super Bowl?

    AFC Championship game?

    Divisional Play-off game?

    Wild-Card?
     
  2. Thorn

    Thorn Dirty Old Man

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    Super Bowl. With our defense, and those two healthy, Super Bowl baby.
     
  3. Texan_Bill

    Texan_Bill Subscribed Contributor

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    I voted AFC Champs because whoever comes out of the NFC this season whether Green Bay, San Fran or New Orleans, would be tough to beat!
     
  4. dream_team

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    I think we could easily beat the 9ers.

    But I think the question was what's our ceiling, not what we think would have happened.
     
  5. IDEXAN

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    Andre is justly rated as the "Greatest Texan", but he's not the most valuable.
    As they say over and over again, it's a QBs league and without your starting/primary/frontline QB, you don't really have much of a chance to go deep in the playoffs.
     
  6. HJam72

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    I wouldn't fear anyone at this point, under those circumstances, except Green Bay and Aaron Rodgers, who we would probably still beat in a tough game. It's really a shame that certain players are out; but, if we can keep Wade as DC next year, it's going to be something to really look forward to.
     
  7. Thorn

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    IF everyone comes back healthy, and we don't lose many key players next year, it's seriously possible the Texans can win a Super Bowl next season.
     
  8. Runner

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    As far as injuries...

    I think it is quite possible, if not likely, that Andre never again plays a season without missing at least a couple of games due to injury. I thought for the past 3-4 years that the Texans were wasting his best years taking baby steps. I won't be surprised if that turns out to be reality.
     


  9. Speedy

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    They were definitely a Super Bowl contender. Now they're not even a decent playoff threat.
     
  10. Ryan

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    Everyone keeps saying that he won't make a full season again, but i don't buy it. It's freakin Andre. He had bad luck last year and played his way through it mostly except when our team was officially eliminated from doing anything. This year happened to be worse luck, but he has a couple of prime years left in him and i think he will get healthy next year. Even when not in his prime he still can be a huge productive part of our offense and am looking forward to see him retire a Texan.
     
  11. Runner

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    Bad luck? I'd attribute somebody rolling up on another player's leg and hurting a knee bad luck. I'd attribute pulling each hamstring (weeks apart, untouched, and running in a straight line) to things more mundane. Wear and tear, age, the nature of his explosiveness, etc.
     
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    Where's the "Who the hell knows?" option?

    I'm thinking AFC Championship.

    Not sure how well we matchup with the Saints' or Packers' aerial show. I think we could keep Brady on the sideline with our running game and beat them in the AFC Championship game.
     
  13. False Start

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    Superbowl contenders no doubt! The stars were lined up perfectly, then Houston sports karma bit us in the ass! :pissed: :(
     
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  14. eriadoc

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    I think people are forgetting that this year's version of Matt Schaub wasn't the '09 and '10 versions we saw.
     
  15. EllisUnit

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    he hasnt had to be though. We have the #2 ranked defense which we didnt have in 2010 and we had to keep up with teams scoring and we have a running game which we didnt have in 2009.

    I think its funny how people say he isnt the same, why because we dont have constantly sling it to win games ? I much rather perfer this schaub who can hand it off and take knees at the end of games.
     
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    We would be in the Super Bowl no doubt about it!!!
     
  17. thunderkyss

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    I was one of the guys expressing my dissappointment in the 2011 Matt Schaub. I liked that 2009 guy, even that 2010 guy, just wished he didn't wait so long to "turn it on"

    But after I got to arguing (serving koolaid) about how we'd be fine with Leinart, then Yates..... then seeing this offense with Yates... I kinda like the 2011 Matt.

    Not having to throw it a lot, but when he did, he did it well. & you could see, in that Titans game & that Bucs game, we could score some points playing that style.... 23 pass attempts for 41 points vs Tennessee, & 15 pass attempts for 37 points vs Tampa Bay.

    It's funny how they want Tj to sling it running the same offense with the same defense to back it up.
     
  18. Texecutioner

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    It wasn't far from it either. No QB is always as good or bad as he was in other seasons for the most part with the exception of the true elites in this league like Brady, Manning, Rodgers, and Brees. And even they change a tad bit from year to year.

    Schaub was playing just fine this year. He was playing about as much as expected in my eyes. I've never considered him elite or even on the cusp of that with his lob throwing arm, his slow mobility, and his sometimes clutch type of play. That being said, he's been a top 10 QB for years that helps this offense a lot and with 22 other teams having a guy that is worse, I'm happy to have Schaub here.
     
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    My thought on it is that we didnt need to sling it cause teams knew we could and respected the pass when Schaub was in there, hell we were still scoring at will without AJ. But then you have yates come in and suddenly running is not so easy, and teams are stacking the box.

    To me we could continue to run and just throw every now and then with Schaub in the games, but look at our point total with yates in the games he's been in. That is not because he cant throw the ball and we cant run the ball, it is because Kubiak is not calling games like he was before Schaub got hurt. Sure Schaub could throw, but so can T.J. We just need to let him throw more than when its 2nd - 3rd and long.

    When we get AJ back and he is 100% for the play-offs kubiak DOES need to open up the passing play book a bit more for Yates and the offense. Its one and done in the play-offs and we cant have games like the last 2 we have had.
     
  20. Double Barrel

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    Maybe I'm full homer mode, but I think this team could compete with anyone if everyone was healthy.

    The Packers are impressive, but their defense is suspect. They lost to the Chiefs!

    We could win in a shoot out, simply because our defense would at least give GB hell. And I think the Texans offense would match up well against GB's defense. They do not have enough playmakers to cover AJ, Daniels, and Foster.

    Based upon TK's premise, I went full Super Bowl champs as a ceiling. I think the Schaub/AJ connection has the potential to be as good as any other QB/WR combo out there, and combined with a running game and great defense, why not dream big?
     
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