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  1. disaacks3

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    If you're sitting on the bench, you're not filling anything other than a roster spot, you aren't filling a position. Picking up Kalil in FA does nothing to alter their worth as draft picks. As of now, Kalil is nothing more than Boselli 2.0, without having reached the Boselli potential.

    Unfortunately, we don't have a Jason Peters, we have Julien Davenport. To behave as if we're on equal footing is a fool's errand. What you call short-sighted, I call prudent. We need a starter to protect Watson NOW, or he won't be around to protect when your big-upside LT is finally ready.

    Does that make Dillard legit then...as he didn't make it past 22? :kitten:

    The second OT doesn't usually last until #22, much less 23.
    Care to go back and chart how the second OT taken in the draft overall has fared? Has the third been better or worse? How have they looked as rookies?


    Agreed, it's too early. Maybe Kalil makes a complete turnaround and is ready both physically and mentally Day 1. Maybe Davenport makes gigantic strides in year two. Maybe Tytus Howard is not only the real deal, but is ready to go Day 1. Maybe Scharping surprises everyone and displaces a starter by September.

    If ANY of the above scenarios happen, I'd be almost giddy
    . If more than one happens (or God forbid, we actually have quality depth when needed), I'll be ecstatic. Those are some long odds though. Hell, at this point I'd be happy if our max protect percentage falls by 20% or more.
     
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    disaacks3 Site Contributor

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    Interesting...If I had to pick one, I'd have said a speed rush.
     
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  3. steelbtexan

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    Agree it's a long shot.

    It's kinda sad that the Texans org has put themselves in this position.
     
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  4. TheKDog

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    Yes, he said Clowney is either lazy or unathletic, and he's not unathletic.


    39:25- questions his work ethic
     
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    JB Old Curmudgeon

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    Talking heads that probably never played organized football
     
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  6. CloakNNNdagger

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    I believe that everyone should listen to that part of the podcast to put it in context. Lazy was not ever mentioned. Work ethic was in the context of not putting effort in developing any more moves (expanding his repertoire) over a long period of time..........at the same time of seeking to be paid on the level of elite counterparts that have.
     
  7. TheKDog

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    Fair enough. He mentioned work ethic and was basically saying lack of work ethic is why he isn't an elite pass rusher. To me that means lazy but people can decide for themselves.

    Personally I think he's not an elite pass rusher because it's hard to be one. Maybe there's something about his body or how he moves that prevents him from being elite in that area . But he's still very good at pass rushing.
     
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    JB Old Curmudgeon

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    Contrary to popular opinion, I don't believe he was brought in to be an 'elite pass rusher' of the Miller/Mercilus type. His forte is a dominant run defender from the edge that also causes match-up nightmares and he is elite at that
     
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  9. TheKDog

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    Yep and maybe they don't want to pay him because it's a passing league now. Or maybe it really is just the knee. I don't think it's work ethic
     
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    I don't either...I think he would have been called out by JJ if not OB/Weaver/RAC if it was work ethic related...

    He's been getting better yearly in the pass rush, perhaps this year he breaks into double digits
     


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    Personally, it is quite brave to play with a knee like that.
    He either loves the game and wants to play or he is trying for that big pay day.
    Can't fault him for either.
     
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    If Howard goes on to be an all pro, we definitely didn't whiff on the pick.
     
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    This is certainly the hope. Usually it takes until second year however so let’s be patient. For now adjust offense to get rid of the ball faster and extra protection. Missed out on some good backs that could have helped balanced running attack. So probably use TE’s a lot finally.

    But I remain worried about the corners and backend on D. Linebackers are poor in coverage too while most teams added speed and coverage skills at that position. Just worries the hell out of me, pinning so much on the pass rush.
     
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    Sorry, I got confused with all the pronouns. I thought "they" referred to the Texans. The Texans, as you've stated has 4 three threads currently working to "fill the need" Kalil, Davenport, Howard/Sharping.

    I agree, we need someone to play LT now. We should have traded up to 8 to get Williams. But we didn't. We should have signed a legit LT in FA... we didn't.

    We could have gone BPA & cross our fingers through this season & try again next year, or draft a guy like Dillard or Howard & get them ready for next year.

    Again, this is specifically taking into consideration the Eagles do not intend for Dillard to start this year.

    Davenport is not Peter's. If Peters & Dillard are like Favre & Rodgers, then Davenport & Howard are Jackson & Wilson.

    Position has to be filled. If plan A was out of reach, Williams, plan B is either a Davenport clone in round 4, all eggs in the Kahlil basket, or next year.
     
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    What if he doesn't become an All-Pro until his 2nd contract with his 2nd team?
     
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    Then it was Devlin
     
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    We haven't played a down of football and already calling the picks a fail. I think I will hold my judgement till i see the product on the field. For now, I am undecided whether this draft was good or bad.
     
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    The homer in me has to think it was good until proven otherwise... or what's the point?
     
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    Clowney doesn't have the bend around the edge that the elite pass rushers have.
     
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    Good post

    Davenport/Howard are frick and fraco compared to Peters/Dillard.
     

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