Rookie contracts need to be stopped

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  1. gtexan02

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    This is getting absolutely out of control. Rookie contracts are crazy.

    I just saw that Levi Brown's deal with the Cards has the potential to make him the highest paid OT in the NFL

    Similarly, CJ just signed his deal with the Lions, making him the highest paid player in Detroit history.

    Guess what? Neither of these guys have played a single snap in the NFL!

    THis is getting out of hand, and someone needs to step in and fix this issue
     
  2. Texan_Bill

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    The system has a built in fix... The salary cap.

    If these teams keep committing to ridiculous contracts and the players "bust" the team will pay for it in their cap... Of course, if the guy actually lives up to the hype, then the contract was worth it.

    But your right, teams need to be fiscally responisble.
     
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    You would think between the owners and the veterans they would put a scale together, would help owners keep cost down, and make sure that all-stars aren't being paid less than someone who hasn't even played a down yet.
     
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    To be fair, these rookies are drafted and can negotiate with only one team. If you believe Calvin Johnson's contract is ridiculous, think of what it would be if he were allowed to enter the NFL as a free agent. Of course, the best way to avoid paying these monster rookie contracts is to win more games and not draft in the top 5.
     
  5. Vinny

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    I've thought of this differently at different times. New players are signed on speculation and long term projections and are slotted so that the high picks with the most expectation getting the most money. With the salary cap as big as it is, I don't have a problem with the system because it forces you to make good decisions or it hurts you. I kinda like that...."fair" is for kindergarten, real life has consequences. If you aren't in love with the player for the salary slot you can always trade down.
     
  6. real

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    I agree...

    If they set a value for these picks then a bust wouldn't have the impact that it does....

    It makes teams choose wisely, and it also helps teams get steals...
     
  7. Mr teX

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    I can't hate on the young guys getting their money.

    I know if it were me, i'm trying to take the owner for everything, it's the nature of the business. In addition to what Vinny & Xtru. said, it just boils down to how much you like the guy & how bad do you wanna win. If you think there is someone who is somewhat comparable that you might be able to get later in the draft for less money, go for it.

    just don't expect your fans to understand that, cause all they wanna do is win.
     
  8. Errant Hothy

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    There saying that there is about 0 chance of Levi getting all the money in his contract, as a good chunk of it is in performace clauses that are reported as being fairly far fetched.

    Makes it sound kinda like Ricky's first contract (althought probably not that bad).
     


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    I can think of no validation for a player who hasn't even played 1 down being paid higher than the top player in the NFL at that position.
     
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    Levi's contract is about $61 million but only $18 million is guaranteed.

    So, the $43 million or so that is not guaranteed, he has to make the team.

    It would be nice to have a guy that underperforms to salary but would be an asset to the team at a lower price. However, player's rarely renegotiate their contract, so a guy that would normally make the team but is paid too much is cut.

    I don't see a problem with the rookie contracts.

    There is a reasonable chance on any play their career could end or be crippled for life.

    Let them negotiate as they see fit with the team that selected them.

    What works for the NBA doesn't necessarily work the NFL and vice versa.
     
  11. real

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    I don't see the relevance of that when discussing this topic...

    In everday society when we graduate from college we aren't drafted to a specific work place....If I go to medical school and become a doctor I can choose where I want to work...I'm basically entering the workforce as a free agent...We have the ability to turn a job down an find another in our proffesion that is more to our liking...these guys can't do that...All they have the power to do is negotiate with the one team...

    Doctor A may be a better doctor than Doctor B, but if Doctor B finds himself in the right situation he may in fact wind up making more money...

    I don't see why these guys shouldn't have the power to negotiate their salaries just like the rest of the general population...
     
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    Ive never said they shouldn't be allowed to negotiate their salaries, I simply stated that I find it ridiculous that someone with 0, zero, zip NFL experience is already guaranteed more money than multiple time probowl players

    Back your example, no company would ever pay someone with zero experience more than the highest paid person in their field.



    And about football players risking their lives every day, thats a load of bologna. How many NFL players are "crippled" every year? Im sure there are jobs with MUCH higher injury percentages than the NFL. I bet many jobs have higher death risks than the NFL, too.

    I understand NFL players are talented, but I still refuse to accept that someone who hasn't played a snap can get a contract worth more than 99% of their teammates

    The system isn't working all that well, either, when people like JaMarcus Russel are STILL holding out for more money or better incentives.
     
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    Then you should really have a problem with the NBA, where everything is pretty much guaranteed & guys like Allan Houston are still getting paid & haven't played in what 2-3 years? this isn't chump change either, this is millions, that can kill any offseason acquistions & submarine your team for years. I think jalen rose is still getting paid by 2 teams as well. You have this in the NFL, but most guys never see their complete contract worth, unlike the NBA.

    I have no problem with the NFL b/c at least teams can still cut you & save millions as opposed to the nba where contracts have to be bought out or paid out. Just ask the rockets about those infamous matt maloney,kelvin cato contracts.
     
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    Only 18 million? That sucks.
     
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    Yes, but that's 18 million over 6 years, which contray to what some have been spouting off does NOT make him the highest paid player at his position.
     
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    Maybe you don't get it? Guaranteed money is not the only thing in his salary.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2959237

    Sure he may not get all of it, but even the thought of a rookie OL getting a contract CLOSE to being the highest paid in the NFL is backwards.
     
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    ESPN Radio has reported several times, that like Ricky Willaims rookie contract, MOST of the escalators are tied to performance clauses that he is likely not to meet.

    And when eveaulation rookie contracts the key is always the guaranteed money, as the team will likely re-negoiate to Levi turns into a stud...why? Becaue he will want more guaranteed moeny! ZOMG!!!!!!
     
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    powerfuldragon g'mornin to you

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    i vaguely remember being slightly lambasted for suggesting the same thing a year ago after the draft.
     
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    No matter the case, CJ is still the highest paid player, at ANY position, in the HISTORY of the Detroit Lions. (I know that doesn't necessarily mean all that much with inflation/salary cap increases, but STILL! He hasnt even played a SINGLE down or practiced even ONCE).

     
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