Robert Griffen III vs Andrew Luck

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  1. Playoffs

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    Some interesting reactions on RGIII vs. Luck as the No. 1 pick. Who would you take??? I'm leaning RGIII.


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    Bill Polian on RG3 vs. Luck: "They're neck & neck for me. I rank them even in virtually every category." Still expects #Colts to draft Luck.

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    After watching RG3's Pro Day, Gil Brandt says he's "not sure" whether Luck or Griffin should be drafted No. 1 overall:

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    More Merril Hoge: "Especially accuracy w/ ppl around him, how (RG3) ... put it on the perimeter outside the numbers. Much better than Luck."
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    More Merril Hoge on Griffin v Luck: "More (tape) I watched, I was like 'hold the phone. This kid RG3 beats (Luck) in almost every category'"
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    ESPN's Merril Hoge says #Colts should take Robert Griffin III over Andrew Luck in "half a heart beat." Basing it strictly on game tape.

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    ESPN's Mel Kiper on whether RG3 could bypass Andrew Luck: "Can't see it. I couldn't believe it. Just because Luck is so special coming out."
     
  2. Rey

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    I've been thinking I'd rather have RG3 over Luck for a while now...

    I really hope the Colts don't see things my way...
     
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    Amen
     
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    RG3 running around wont stay in this league at a high level, 5 years. Luck on the other hand I see slinging the rock for 10 years.
     
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    RG3 has been injured during 2 seasons. Luck hasn't had any injuries.
    Whoever the Colts draft, they are going to have a last awhile during the rebuilding process, including rebuilding the OL.

    I'd go with Luck.
     
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    I like RGIII over Luck, granted, I saw more of his games. I think he has "it" that intangible.

    Besides, it would piss off the Skins fans who are counting on him.
     
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    Luck is better, pure and simple.

    Look, Griffin is no slouch, but most of these "pundits/experts" are saying Griffin because everyone is saying Luck. If they say Luck then nobody cares or notices. But if they say Griffin and it turns out he is better they get to look like geniuses.

    I also think ESPN is trying to build up hype for the upcoming draft because the top 3 picks are already locked in and they want people to doubt that and tune in.
     
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    I think Griffin has "It". But so does Luck. I see Luck as the best QB prospect since Manning came out.

    I like Luck better, and that isn't meant as a shot at Griffin, who I think will be very successful as well.
     


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    Mayock on RG3's Pro Day: "He threw two 18-yard comebacks as good as any quarterback in the National Football League can throw 'em."


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    Mayock compares Andrew Luck's arm strength to Drew Brees & Matt Ryan. "I care about results. It gets there. It's a good but not great arm."
     
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    This stuff about Luck's arm is getting just downright silly. Can he throw it as far as JaMarcus Russell? No, but he has more than enough arm strength to make all the NFL throws.

    There is no such thing as a perfect prospect. It's a risk to pull the trigger on anybody in the draft, especially at #1. But it just seems that people are nitpicking about his arm just so they can have something to complain about.
     
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    Mayock on Griffin vs. Luck: "I do believe RG3 has a slightly bigger arm. But that's not the true measure of a quarterback."
     
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    Every prospect gets picked apart...

    And with RG3 coming out in the same draft and expected to be taken 1 spot away from him, off course he's going to get looked at with a fine tooth comb.
     
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    Luck is a better prospect than Griffin.

    1. Luck played a pro style offense whereas Griffin played in a spread. We have seen more pro style QBs succed in the NFL vs spread.

    2. Consistency. Luck has had 2 VERY good years. In contrast, Griffin had a good year last year and a VERY good season this year. I am not going to say he came out of nowhere but he was not being talked about as a #1 pick at the end of last season. Luck was. With the hype surrounding it, Luck delivered.

    3. Injuries. RGIII suffered a torn ACL in 2009. Luck has not suffered any injuries of this magnitude.

    4. Leadership-> wins. Both guys are going to go to a crappy team, that's the nature of the draft. But look at how they willed their teams. Griffin was a starter for 3 years. In those years his teams were 4-8, 4-8, and 10-3. In contrast, Luck was 8-5, 12-1, and 11-2.

    4. Size. Like many things, size does matter. Luck is 6'4 235 whereas Griffin is 6'2 223. In the NFL more size means you can absorb hits. If Griffin wants to continue to play his style he will need to become more elusive and/or pack on some weight. For example, Donovan McNabb is also 6'2, but he is in the 240lb range.

    5. Style of game. Griffin needs to change his style of game. In college he had around 20 passes per game and 13 rushes per game. That is a really high number of rushes. Steve McNair, only rushed about 5 or 6 times per game. Michael Vick averages 8 rushes per game at his running peak, Vince Young was at 6, and Newton was around 8, and Tebow almost 9 last year. I am not sure any QB has been able to rush for 13+ times per game longterm in the NFL. Griffin is going to have to throw more often and rush less.

    I am not saying that Griffin is not a good prospect, I think he is. I think he is certainly worthy of being a first rounder. However, given the option, I think Luck is certainly a better prospect and will be a better pro.
     
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    Luck threw it 70 yards against the wind .
     
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    I like 'em both. If Jim Kelly, Dan Marino, and John Elway can all come out of the same draft and play like Franchise QB's, so can these two.
     
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    These two are both 9.5 at the least .

    Who were the other 3 .

    Eason ? ?
     
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    I haven't seen RGIII play, but I did watch an interview during the NFL Combine and he impressed the hell out of me in the span of a minute maybe. It's a hard call to really say who's going to be better. I think they'll both be great. Colts and Redskins will be lucky to have them.
     
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    You can't lay all of the record on the QB. Luck had a ton more talent around him.

    Still, I would take Luck because he's the safer pick. He's been groomed to play QB since he could walk. Luck just looks like he's ready to step in and run an NFL offense, as Peyton was in '98.

    Griffin looks mechanical to me (reads, certain throws). I think he will get it, and I love his personality and intangibles. Obviously, Griffin is one of the top 3 or 4 athletes to ever play the position. His potential is enormous, but not enough to overshawdow Luck's potential + readiness.
     
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    Todd Blackledge and Ken O'Brien. Blackledge was the bust of the litter. BTW, Andrew Luck's dad, Oliver, was taken by the Oilers in the 2nd round of that 1983 draft.
     
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    Honoring Earl 34 Hey Koolaid

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    So the following teams drafted quarterbacks

    Colts to Denver
    Bills
    Chiefs
    Patriots
    Jets
    Dolphins

    Denver , Bills , Pats , and Dolphins went to SBs .
     

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