Ranking Our Needs

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  1. TexanAddict

    TexanAddict Texan 'til I Die

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    Most of the talk of late, on these boards and in the paper, regarding our team has centered around Reggie and Vince, a RB and QB, two positions not in dire need of an upgrade, relatively speaking. I would like to see where everyone else feels the largest derth of talent lies on this team, per position. Here's my take, with #1 being of the highest priority:

    1. C (McKinney is pretty bad, Hodgdon didn't have time to prove himself before injury)
    2(tie). TE
    2(tie). DE (in 4-3 Babin might be OK weak, Peek situational but that's it)
    4. G (Wiegert is adequate, rest are mostly career backups unless they progress)
    5. T (Pitts has played well, who knows what Wand is capabe of, Wade is just a body to run around)
    6. FS
    7. MLB (Wong might fill this role needs to be seen)
    8. CB (DRob is top tier, PBuc and Faggins may only be Nickel quality)
    9. WR (AJ is a beast, Mathis has potential, need a sure #2)
    10. OLB
    11. SS
    12. RB (DD has proven he can do the job when healthy)
    13. QB (DC may never be an all-star but has shown flashes when upright)
    14. K (until last season Brown was almost a guarantee)
    15. P
    16. FB
    17. DT (surplus after the switch to 4-3)

    I'm not advocating that free agents and draft picks should be signed in this order, just hoping that the FO at least atempts to upgrade those positions most lacking in talent during the offseason.:twocents:
     
  2. MorKnolle

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    Not a bad list at all, but I'd rank the needs a little differently:
    1. DE - We really need a better pass-rushing and/or bigger run stopping DE for the 4-3
    2. OG - I think we were weaker at OG than at OC.
    3. OT - Todd Wade should not be a starting RT for us anymore, and we could always use a guy that can compete with Pitts for the LT spot.
    4. TE - A pass-catching TE is a big need for our offense unless we are certain that Joppru will last thru the year, and I"m definitely not certain of that.
    5. MLB - We need a true MLB for our 4-3 defense, Wong is serviceable but it would be better to get a true MLB.
    6. FS - We need a S that is better in pass coverage, Brown and Earl played pretty well together at the end of last season but neither can cover very well.
    7. CB - We need to look at getting an athletic CB that can actually cover a receiver.
    8. WR - Johnson is a beast, Gaffney is solid, Mathis is fast but I'm not sure if he'll ever be our #2, we could use a more solid #2 WR but our group is ok.
    9. OC - Hodgdon looked pretty good, I'm not sold on him being our long-term guy there but he's good enough for now.
    10. OLB - Wong and Greenwood should be ok, but we could use an upgrade, although with their contracts it isn't a viable option this year.
    11. SS - Brown and Earl are fairly solid but we could use a more athletic, bigger hitter, but it's not of huge importance to us.
    12. P - Stanley is one of the better accuracy punters in the league but doesn't have a real big leg. Maybe with a better offense he'll be more useful.
    13. K - Brown has been decent throughout his career but lately he hasn't looked so great. His contract makes him had to move this season.
    14. RB - We have a pretty solid group, I'm not sure Wells is coming back and we could use a more true power RB and/or a speedy RB.
    15. QB - I think Carr is a solid QB and should do very well with Kubiak at the helm.
    16. FB - Norris is a good blocking FB, could maybe use another one that is a more capable runner.
    17. DT - We have more than we need for a 4-3 defense.
     
  3. Texans Horror

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    IMO, the Texans top needs are:
    Center
    TE
    DE/LB
    Safety/CB

    What will be fun to watch is whether the defensive needs outweigh the offensive needs. If the coaches believe they have an offense that just needs better coaching, we could see a draft that pulls mostly defensive players.
     
  4. El Tejano

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    When does FA start?
     
  5. travfrancis

    travfrancis Veteran

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    1. DE
    2. MLB
    3. TE
    4. OL
    5. CB
    6. FS
    7. #2 WR

    it really is amazing how many huge holes we have
     
  6. MorKnolle

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    It's supposed to start on March 3, although there have been rumors that if the new CBA hasn't been signed by then that they might delay free agency until April while they try to finalize the deal, but that is just speculation right now and it is supposed to start March 3.
     
  7. TexanFanInCC

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    my choices are:

    MLB - wong and greenwood are good OLB's in a 4-3. we need an absolute beast to smother the run and force some turnovers. we need to improve on turnonver differential.

    TE - we have absolutely no recieving threat at TE, and that hurt carr. without that TE, DB's will just double up the WR's. whoever is our QB next season will need to have that safety valve. draft david thomas in the later rounds!

    CB - dunta is a stud, but he will need a running mate next to him to be the 2nd option. pbuc and DF are solid nickels and nothing more.

    DE - babin should be good, but peek is a tad erratic in run coverage. he is nothing more than a situational pass rusher. do i smell john abraham?

    OL - i think the schemes under kubiaks regime will make more sense to the players. i refuse to believe that our o-line is that bad, considering how we kept mckinney and pitts for all 4 yrs and wiegert for 3. my o-line would look like this: LT - runyan LG - pitts C- Hogdon RG - mckinney RT- wiegert

    DT - surplus. good thing? i think it can be, bc of better depth, but i feel that once again, travis johnson would be the odd man out, and i would love to see his nasty presence in the game on a regular basis. i think payne was better than i expected, and robaire? it sucks. too many DT's!
     
  8. cuppacoffee

    cuppacoffee Resident Grouch

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    Several of our posters, myself included, do not think things are as dire as that. Many of our problems IMHO was due to inept coaching.

    Some reinforcement comes from the nflldraftblitz.com site: The following article suggests as much.


    "In conclusion, it's of note how much the Texans need help on defense. But don't be fooled, many of these areas are places for upgrades, not glaring or gaping holes that are causing this team to fall. While this team is still a year or two away, there is enough talent on this team to make it more of a winner, and get out of the top 10 of the draft."

    Entire Article
     
  9. TexanFanInCC

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    i agree. u can only do so much in 1 offseason. besides, i think we will be okay at WR and FS. i like glenn earl. might as well save ur breath.
     
  10. TexanAddict

    TexanAddict Texan 'til I Die

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    I agree that this team is not chock full of gaping holes. The tread was started to show where perhaps our focus for offseason upgrades should lie, instead of the overanalysis of two players who play positions where we already have some talent present. More to get a read on where other people believe we are in the most need of improved talent than anything else.
     
  11. jerek

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    Agree with CuppaCoffee and others who have stated that we are not a team full of "glaring" holes, but we have sufficient talent across the board that has been mismanaged, with a handful of positions in need of upgrade and others that could benefit substantially but aren't "must-change" at this time.

    Pretty much agree with Mork's list, though if P-Buc doesn't start showing up I will move CB up that list. Not sure who's going to replace him this year though.

    I think Rivers is a good receiving TE. Athletic, not fast but not slow, pretty sure hands. I think part of our issue at TE last year was playcalling, Capers and Co. seemed to use TE as an extra OL and rarely sent them out, and when doing so more of an afterthought than an actual throw-him-the-ball option.

    I too would like to see a monster DE (Williams?). I agree that Peek as a Robert Mathis type situational rusher who is probably not a real run stopper on the DL, though I still like him at OLB, though Orr/Babin/Greenwood will be competing for that spot.
     
  12. TexanAddict

    TexanAddict Texan 'til I Die

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    I also believe that WR and SS aren't the most pressing areas this team needs to address, that is why they are so low on my own list of priorities, FS is another story. However, I believe for our team to improve some steps must be done to upgrade some of the positions at the top of my list. I'm not suggesting the entire team needs an overhaul.
     
  13. Meloy

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    All I have heard since Boselli was selected, "We need a left O.T." The MB has had like hundreds of threads about the OLine. Where are those people now?
     
  14. TheOgre

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    Ranking our needs:
    1. Wins
    2. Higher turnover ratio
    3. Fewer sacks allowed
    4. More sacks created

    :drool:
     
  15. Coach C.

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    Ogre this is good stuff. How about switching Sacks allowed and turnover ratio though.
     
  16. AustinJB

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    1. Og/ot
    2. Te
    3. Fs/cb
    4. De/mlb
     
  17. sangien

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    I think De is more important than TE. Bennie will play this year I feel he finally get on the field and make some noise.:superman:
     
  18. Wharton

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    1. LT - Pitts does not have the feet to play LT. Pitts looked good last year because everyone was comparing him to Victor Riely(sp), who was really, really bad. Pitts is our best lineman, but needs to be moved back to his natural position, guard.
    2. MLB, FS, C - I think these are obvious choices here.
    3. TE - Rivers caught a few passes and looked pretty good at the end of the year. I don't think he is a starter in the NFL, but it was nice to see someone make a play at TE. Some of the problems we have at TE can be traced back to coaching and poor line play.
    4. Pretty much an upgrade for the rest of the team. We have a few players who can play at a starting level, AJ and DRob, come to mind, but for the most part, we have a bunch of second string and situational players.

    While I don't want to discount how bad the coaching was here last year, you don't get to 2-14 with quality starters. This team took a major step backwards last year after the loss of Sharper and Glenn, the team leaders. Usually, someone steps up and takes over the leadership role, unfortunately, that didn't happen. As if I need to remind everyone, the lack of leadership was most obvious in the second half of games last year when be blew several leads. This team has learned how to lose and live with it. It time for a fire sale. This team is three to four years away from competing for a Conference Championship.
     
  19. Erratic Assassin

    Erratic Assassin All Pro

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    How much better will we be if we replace our #13th need with a rookie QB? What if we upgrade our #12 need from pretty damn good, to possibly better?

    We are YEARS away from being competitive.
     
  20. dat_boy_yec

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    Ok, here goes the way I see it, and a brief explanation on why I see it that way.

    1st MLB, this is by far our biggest need. Wong may be servicable, but the thing is who do we have that will back him up. This position is integral to the 4-3 and personally I don't care where it comes from but this needs to be addressed either through FA (an upgrade) or the draft (depth).

    2nd OG, half the guards we have are overpaid and getting old. Weary is serviceable and Brown is hopefully gone. This position needs an influx of youth and quality.

    3rd DE, Peek and Babin may be serviceable, but again depth and upgrade would really go a long way. If we can attain a DE in FA that would be better because I think next yrs. DE class looks very strong, but whatever just get help here.

    4th TE, We have plenty of depth here so what we really need is an upgrade. While it would be great for Joppru to come out of his funky injuries and dazzle us, personally I am tired of waiting for him. We need help here Joppru would be a bonus but help here would be nice.

    5th CB, I don't know what Buchanon will be capable of or any of our current cb's outside of Robinson so I think this area could use some help. To be honest Pbuc does ok in zone sometimes but his man to man really needs to improve, I think we should target someone who excells at man to man.

    6th C, I like Hodgdon, but depth would be nice.

    7th OT, Pitts and Wand may surprise people but depth never hurts.

    8th QB, Nothing againts Carr, it's the backups that scare me, maybe I'm wrong but they look like L's waiting to happen standing there on the sideline.

    9th WRs, We may already have our #2 receiver and not know it yet, which is what I would like to believe, but I could be wrong. That's why this position is where it is.

    10th RB's This group is an above average group. We could get by without help here, but really what fun is it to just get by.

    11th Safeties, I like Earl and Brown, alot. Yes I may be a little bias, but only thing we could really use here is some depth.

    12th DT's, We have a surplus of talent here, enough so that I would seriously consider putting some of these guys on the trading block.

    Well that's how I see it. Let me know what you all think.
     

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