Question? Babin and Peek

[V Man]

Greene was a solid LB at Pittsburgh, where he was a pretty good all-around LB (run and pass). It wasn't until Carolina, that he was known as a sack specialist.

 

[TheOgre]

I don't see what's so bad about Foreman, his numbers aren't bad.

He is functional and that is it. His tackles are often several yards past the line of scrimmage, and he provide really zero rushing skills.

I'm hoping that by 2005 we have Sharper and Wong on the inside and Babin and Peek on the outside. That just seems like the way to go. I really will be stunned and highly disappointed if Foreman starts in 2005.

 

[V Man]

He is functional and that is it. His tackles are often several yards past the line of scrimmage, and he provide really zero rushing skills.

I'm hoping that by 2005 we have Sharper and Wong on the inside and Babin and Peek on the outside. That just seems like the way to go. I really will be stunned and highly disappointed if Foreman starts in 2005.

He is also know for getting the stupid penalties at the wrong times (remember the Buffalo game)

 

[AlexVanderpool]

i dont think peek, orr, or babin can beat out foreman or wong ... yet.

I'll give you Foreman, but what has Wong done is the past 2 years? What Peek and Orr both showed in their few appearances last year was a nose for the ball and an ability to make a play. Wong has been a waste of a large contract, who might be salvaged by a move inside. Peek, Orr, and Babin sooner or later, will be the Texans OLB crew...what better time than now to get them polished?

When Wong was first signed he talked about the dreams he had about sacking quarterbacks...Unfortunately, so far for him all it has been is a dream.

 

[El Tejano]

I think Orr did a wonderful job and you gotta love it when he ran down Michael Vick and sacked him. He even had a game clinching turnover against Buffalo. I would like to see a package that included Peek and Babin because it never really tells you who is coming in on a blitz.

 

[V Man]

I want to see
"Orr & Orr ,The Law Firm"
"Specializing in Quarterback Abuse Cases"

 

[Mistril48]

Yep Greene played on the left side, probably due to the fact that Lathon was the larger of the two (lathon was around 270 give or take, where as greene was about 20 pounds lighter.)

I didn't mean to indicate that the two OLB spots are mutually exclusive, but with babin playing at 260-280 and Wong (and Peek) being significantly lighter I see ROLB as his likely spot. I also think that it may be easier for babin to make the transition with fewer coverage responsibilities.

Clandestin. Thank you for your comments.

Can we keep it going. I thought that generally, the strong safety had the tight end in man coverage and that the outside linebackers would take the first back out of the backfield on their side. I appreciate that they are often changing it up to mess up the offense, but I mean generally. In this concept, the free safety plays center field.

If you agree with this generalization, both the LOLB and the ROLB have the same responsibility in the passing game. If anything, the ROLB has more of a challenge in the passing game, because he will have coverage in greater space (generally, less players in the same space equals more empty space). I would put the better athlete, as opposed to size, or the better player in coverage at ROLB.

In the run game, I would think you would want you better run defender, or stronger player on the left side, or the strong side, to hold up against more blockers (RT, RG, TE, FB generally).

All of this leads me to believe that everything else being equal, they would prefer Babin on the left (if bigger equals stronger against the run) and Peek on the right.

What am I missing?

 

[Chance_C]

If you agree with this generalization, both the LOLB and the ROLB have the same responsibility in the passing game. If anything, the ROLB has more of a challenge in the passing game, because he will have coverage in greater space (generally, less players in the same space equals more empty space). I would put the better athlete, as opposed to size, or the better player in coverage at ROLB

I'll try to answer that, but someone please correct me if I'm wrong. When defending pass situations, we will be in nickel coverage for the most part. That brings in an extra DB for coverage. The weak side lb, should be rushing the QB for the most part.

 

[Blake]

I'll try to answer that, but someone please correct me if I'm wrong. When defending pass situations, we will be in nickel coverage for the most part. That brings in an extra DB for coverage. The weak side lb, should be rushing the QB for the most part.

depends on what down, how many yards, what part of the field.

but yes, in nickel coverage, the weakside LB will be rushing, while the nickel CB takes on the extra WR.

 

[Fiddy]

but yes, in nickel coverage, the weakside LB will be rushing, while the nickel CB takes on the extra WR.

And I hope they bring down Coleman to play the 3rd corner while McCree is playing FS

 

[PHAROAH]

I think the texans will pick up Jeremiah Trotter when his released from the redskins. Here is my lineup.

Peek-Trotter?-Sharper-Babin
Sharper-Wong
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[Number19]

...In the run game, I would think you would want you better run defender, or stronger player on the left side, or the strong side, to hold up against more blockers (RT, RG, TE, FB generally).

All of this leads me to believe that everything else being equal, they would prefer Babin on the left (if bigger equals stronger against the run) and Peek on the right...

Good explanation and the scenario of Babin on the left is the one I'd like to see develope.

What mildly disturbs me is the write-up on Babin says he does not take on blockers, at the point of attack, very well. He prefers to "elude" blockers. He has fine weight room strength, but he does not utilize it on the football field. Unless the coaches can correct this, he may be better suited on the right.

 

[Mistril48]

Good explanation and the scenario of Babin on the left is the one I'd like to see develope.

What mildly disturbs me is the write-up on Babin says he does not take on blockers, at the point of attack, very well. He prefers to "elude" blockers. He has fine weight room strength, but he does not utilize it on the football field. Unless the coaches can correct this, he may be better suited on the right.

If the write-up is true (which I doubt) and the coaches can't correct it, he won't play on either side!

 

[Number19]

If the write-up is true (which I doubt) and the coaches can't correct it, he won't play on either side!

Negatives: Timed speed is deceptive, as the player shed 20 pounds before his workout and generally plays in the 280-pound range … Not as explosive when he's at his playing weight … Shows strength against the run, but does not split the double team or neutralize blockers when engaging in head-up action … Weight-room strength does not translate to the football field (would rather elude than take on the blocker) … Uses his hands well, but is not a hit-and-shed type … Best pass rushing off the edge, as he would rather not take on and defeat the offensive tackle or tight end (tries to throw rather than use shed moves to disengage)...NFL.com

 

[Mistril48]

Number19, I didn't mean to imply that your write-up wasn't accurate. Rather, I was trying to say that I doubted the write-up you were referring to was an accurate reflection of the player.

I can't imagine that the Texans would trade up to get Babin in the first round if the negatives were accurate, although time will tell. Capers has a pretty good track record with young linebackers. I believe his first college coaching assignment was working with Jack Lambert.

 

[Number19]

Number19, I didn't mean to imply that your write-up wasn't accurate. Rather, I was trying to say that I doubted the write-up you were referring to was an accurate reflection of the player.

I can't imagine that the Texans would trade up to get Babin in the first round if the negatives were accurate, although time will tell. Capers has a pretty good track record with young linebackers. I believe his first college coaching assignment was working with Jack Lambert.

No problemo. I knew your intent; I simply thought it would be good to print the entire analysis and source. I also agree with your analysis, this is why I'm only mildly concerned. I'm sure CC and company are well aware of any shortcomings. For one, we do not know how they intend to use Babin in their defensive scheme- left or right - and they obviously feel he is coachable. What it does mean is that we shouldn't expect pro bowel caliber of play his rookie year. He will require a year or two for seasoning and developement. And it does mean there is that small possibility he may not quite pan out as expected. But regardless, Peek and Babin should represent an upgrade over '02 & '03.