QBs in this draft class.

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  1. 76Texan

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    My initial thought on Ryan Nassib is that he's quite inconsistent for a 5th year Senior.

    It's difficult to see an inconsistent "experienced" guy to be a "franchise" NFL QB, at least not one that can carry a team here and there.

    There's potential in the guy though.
    Right now I don't like his footwork.
    It causes him not to be in a good position to deliver an accurate pass on several occasions.
    If he can work and improve on it, his chance of becoming a starter in the NFL can be helped a lot.

    Nassib isn't close in term of athletic ability as RG III, Luck, or Wilson.

    That goes to the next point: He would need to be a smart and instinctive QB to be able to extend plays.
    Unfortunately, he doesn't show enough of that as to make me think he can overcome his lacking in athleticism to be successful at the next level.

    If you look for a guy who has some kind of "it", I don't think Nassib is your target.

    I've reviewed 7 of his games; it's not enough to be in depth, but I do believe it's fair to say that he doesn't have enough "star" quality, if at all.

    As usual, I want to note that when I watch QB play, I consider his O-line, his weapons, his opponents.

    When a guy throw an INT, is it really his fault?
    Does he have an open receiver that he missed?
    When he's sacked, is it his fault, or is it a problem with protection.

    Obviously, I'm just one guy watching other guys play, so Take it FWIW.
     
  2. steelbtexan

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    Wilso and Bray, the Tylers would look good in Steel Blue.

    Give us your thoughts on Barkley and Landry Jones?
     
  3. rmartin65

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    I am a fan of Nassib. I dont think he will be a Luck or RG3 level starter, but I do think he would be an upgrade over Schaub (maybe not immediately,but in a year or two... which does not exactly help the Texans win now). Honestly though, there are not any QBs on the level of Luck and RG3 this year. Every player has warts. There are some starters, sure, but no true franchise QBs.

    I think Landry Jones has some potential. He has great size and a good arm, and has better mobility than given credit for (certainly better than Schaub). He is a long time starter as well. But I dont think he is an IT can. He reminds me of Schaub at times, in that he looks good when you look at box scores, but when you watch the game he underwhelms you. All the tools are there, but his actual play is lacking.

    I wont really go into other players, unless asked. I dont think there are any QBs that would help us win in the short term.
     
  4. Rey

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    I watched some clips on a few guys and I like Dysert the best from what I've seen. Dude has good mobility, stays a live in the pocket, but keeps his eyes down field to make plays. He also has the best arm out of the guys I watched...

    Not a fan of Nassib, Landry Jones, Bray, Murray or Glennon...

    Not watching Barkley or Geno Smith as they likely won't be on board at any point for us..

    But if I had to take a rookie QB this year at this point it'd be Dysert in the 2nd...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmMa5Nv2zoI

    I think that's a good video that highlights his strengths and weaknesses...
     
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    i like wilson...bray had too many boneheaded plays last year for tenn.
     
  6. coon

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    Let me preface this by saying ive only seen Nassib play in 4 games. I agree his footwork is not great and it causes a large portion of his bad throws. I think he is a better athlete than you seem to give him credit for, but yes he nowhere near RG3 (most aren’t) Luck, or Wilson. Athletically I would compare him to Cutler. Everything I have read about him says he is a hardworking kid who is very smart which makes me believe his footwork, and decision making can improve under Kubiak. I in no way believe he can supplant Schaub soon; just that he is the kind of guy that will be able to cash in on his physical ability. Thanks for responding though, you can’t believe everything you read on the web and I appreciate your input.
     
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    Early consensus is 2013 QB class can't touch 2012, no?
     
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    I think these comments and evaluations are the reason why Smith was eager to re-sign Schaub. Even Geno and Dysart who I mocked early last off season will need a year or so to develop as starters. Fans can complain all they want about Matt, but I see no option as a replacement that can put you where Schaub has so far.
     


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    I really like Dysert strong arm, accurate. Needs to take care of the ball better and learn better footwork. Level he played at bothers me.

    I like Bray better, because he also has a strong arm/best in the draft. Yes he makes some boneheaded throws. This comes from his belief the he can stck a ball in the tightest of spaces. He has terrible mechanics, throwing off his back foot and while still completing most of those the lack of mechanics is the cause of most of his ints. This can be fixed by great QB coaching of Gary. Bray reminds me of Matt Stafford with his size arm strength and his undisciplined throwing motion and footwork.

    He's kind of a cocky type of guy, but most QB's that become good/great are that way. Brady/Manning/Brees Cutler/Rodgers/Romo etc... With Garys coaching and Brays god given abilty I think Bray could become great. (Worth a 1st rd pick) If Bray didn't have issues he would be the 1st pick in the draft because he has that kind of ability. IMHO

    Think of a young Big Ben
     
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    in my observation, those guys never grow out of that..they've been doing it all their careers and that's a hard thing for them to get over. From Marino, George, Favre and now Cutler...they almost never stop doing that. If he's got that issue now, he most likely won't be able to shake it when he gets to pros.
     
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    Yeah...I'm still gonna stick with Dysert. His OL sucked. He does similar things in college that we do here. Has good pocket awareness when his OL does anything, good mobility and he has a rocket arm. Look at some of those medium and short passes and how he zips those things around...

    I haven't looked at QB prospects in years...I like this Dysert guy...
     
  12. 76Texan

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    Oh, I don't discount his athletic ability.
    I did say that he has a chance to be a starter in the NFL if he keeps working at it and improve.

    I just don't think he has the upside to be a top ten QB.

    His ceiling, IMO, is an average NFL QB.
    On the other hand, he may never become a starter.
     
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    I like Dysert upside.

    I've watched him when scouting Brook last year.

    Been watching some more.

    He's a gamer alright. He can extend some plays and he throws very well on the run.

    He takes too much time in the pocket more than I'd like (sacks).
    He got away with scrambling quite a bit due to the level of competition, I don't think he can get away like that at the next level.

    He has the footwork , but sometimes doesn't use it to his advantage.
    Need to keep those legs chopping in the pocket.

    And sometimes he makes silly mistakes.

    I still want to watch more of him; he does have good potential.

    I wouldn't say that he has a rocket arm, but he has made longer throw than Schaub and does have the zip on the deep out.
     
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    That's my line as well.
     
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    I still need to watch more of Wilson, Bray, and Jones.

    I like Barkley; I think he has good potential to be an upgrade over Schaub.
    He should, unless he follows Leinart's and VY's footstep.

    I saw a lot of dropped balls; PIs - some called, some not, both affected his stat lines; receiver not running the route properly.

    He does need not to try to do too much at times.
    But overall, I see a guy that can be a better than average NFL QB in a couple of years.

    What is his injury status anyway?
     
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    From what i have seen of Bray, he is the most physically gifted Qb in this draft. However, he doesn't have it between the ears. He has played with three guys who are consistently mocked in the first three rounds, but he still never really ran an efficiently explosive offense at the collegiate level. He reminds me less of Stafford and more of JeMarcus Russell or any big armed Qb that never panned out. I wouldn't draft him any higher than the 5th round and even then I wouldn't be too optimistic that he pans out. As for Dysert, his scouting reports are solid and he does seem to have a better arm than Schaub. I'll be paying very close attention to his bowl game, and would love an in depth analysis from rey or 76 if you ever get the time.
     
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    Thats my boy right there. I would love to see him in steel blue. I wanted him to come out last year so we could draft him. He's gotten better every year. Love his pocket presence and they way he leads his team.
     
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    No sh!ti to the bolded. Who is in this draft? Yeh no short term answers for sure but there are guys with potential/ability that if coached right could turn into a far better option than anything we have now. Because of the amount of these type guys (just like the WR's) some should fall further than expected. Depending on who falls and where I would love to see us end up with one of these guys.
     
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    I dont think Barkley will fall to the bottom of the 1st. But if he falls to 15 or so, since the Texans have extra picks they should think about trading up to get him.

    Barley is said to be doubtful for his bowl game.But he's a gametime decision.
     
  20. rmartin65

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    I felt like I had to say it, because I get the feeling that some people think that to be worth a pick they have to be on that level. Those guys are going to be special, and it is going to be hard to EVER get a guy like that. Especially as a well-built team who is unlikely to have a top pick in the foreseeable future.
     

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