Prediction: Robert Quinn will be on the Board before and after Texans pick @ 11

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  1. IDEXAN

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    There is no known precedent for this: When Robert Quinn takes the field for an NFL team this fall, he will do so with a brain tumor still inside his skull. Sporting News contacted officials at the National Brain Tumor Foundation and the American Brain Tumor Association, a historian at the Pro Football Hall of Fame and a doctor renowned for his knowledge of sports head injuries. None of them ever had heard of a football player—or athlete in any sport, for that matter—competing with such a condition.



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    As if it's not risky enough given the tremendous uncertainty of a person with this kind of medical situation and just when we are having all of this controversy on concussions and various kinds of injuries especially to the brain within the NFL, do you really think the Texans or anybody takes this guy in the top 11 ? Or for that matter anywhere in the first round ?
     
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    Wow!! That's a new one for sure. I guess if he's medically cleared and the MRI's look OK, he could have a great career. I'm sure CND will chime in with his usual sound opinion.
     
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    This "brain tumor" seems to be descriptive of what is called an arachnoid cyst. It is a cystic structure (not a classic solid tumor) of the tissue layer between the brain itself and the skull, and creates symptoms by expanding in volume and placing increasing pressure on the brain. Theses can be treated in several ways.

    The simplest is by minimally invasive needle through the skull and drawing out the fluid to relieve the pressure on the brain. Some surgeons will drill 1-2 cm burr holes through the skull to affect the same (sometimes with endoscopic assistance). The problem with these 2 approaches is that they can carry significant chance for rebuild up.

    There is also another simple method that shunts the fluid from the cyst through silicone tubes connecting the cyst with various cavities (such as another part of the brain (where free normal drainage occurs or the abdominal cavity), to keep the cyst continually drained. This method though carries a life long risk of infection, since the shunt is a "foreign body"......and an infection communicating with the brain is alway serious. Not likely to be used in a contact sports athlete at any age.

    The definitive way of dealing with this condition is cutting a large "window" out of the skull, lifting it up and removing the cyst (wall) en bloc (in one piece). Then the skull is securely replaced or replaced with a titanium plate.

    It appears likely that it was the burr hole drainage approach that was taken....and no significant fluid build up has recurred. Although not 100% predicatable, it is probably unlikely that the cyst will continue to be a problem. However, his surgeon is wise to follow things with regular MRI's.

    With modern techniques used for skull "window" replacement and secure refastening, even using this technique which has carried the greatest concern for return to contact sports, is felt to allow return safely after 1 year. (Going along with the burr hole technique, Quinn was allowed back to heavy-weight wrestling within 4 months).

    I feel that this "brain tumor" SHOULD have very little effect on where Quinn SHOULD go. Whether it will or not??????................
     
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    The tumor certainly didn't affect his play. I wouldn't be butt hurt at all if we drafted him at #11.
     
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    Thank you C&D for your comprehensive and graphic comments, but may I respectfully suggest that the key word in DocBars observation that "the tumor certainly didn't affect his play" is "didn't" ? And even if GMs & owners in this Draft get the same kind of expert medical advise/consultation as yours, don't those people still have the human tendancy to avoid the risk of that long-shot, that one in a thousand or whatever chance this condition manifests itself into something very serious and dangerous ? Again ? Afterall it's not like there wouldn't be alternatives in the Draft choices ?
     
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    Arachnoid cysts are commonly present since early childhood and most are probably not diagnosed since they never become symptomatic. You are correct, "human nature" has a tendency to crop up in most decisions. However, with so many years removed from the procedure, with continued monitoring giving no significant concern to the operating surgeon, and with the review of medical records evidently revealing nothing to the contrary, "human nature" is the only factor that would preclude a logical approach. With the regular monitoring, it is extremely unlikely that this condition endangers his health. Even if this cyst does rebuild fluid in an extremely slow rate (years as would have to be in this case), and becomes symptomatic (still not a given) and it requires further treatment, redrainage would keep him off the field no longer than 4-6 months.
     
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    I really don't think this will be an issue for him. From what CND said and what I googled, I would be more concerned with Quinn getting himself banned from the NCAA and missing all of last season.
    With this medical condition being unprecedented, I guess anything could happen.
     
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    For anyone interested, here is a relevant article which identifies the concerns of the past and examples of surgeries some with formal "windows" performed through the skull.........including examples of athletes with arachoid cysts..........and their return to contact sports.

    Participation in Contact or Collision Sports in Athletes: Craniotomy
     
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    nice effort IDEXAN, attempting to devalue his draft stock :cool:
     
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    This would be the most likely reason he would not end up a Texan.
     
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    Interesting story about the process of investigation, as well as the defense that the "gift" was not from an agent, but a "financial advisor."

    Quinn: NCAA investigator searched text messages
     
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    As I understand the Quinn tumor thing. It was a benign tumor found in high school. Not sure if it was the Cyst type CND spoke of. Operated on and removed. He has had MRI's every 6 months since with no issues seen. I think the operative word should be "Had" a tumor not has a tumor. Anyone know anything different?
     
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    Who says we are picking him :P. Hopefully some of these teams below us snatch a qb. And leave some good defensive players to us
     
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    In medicine, tumors are considered an entity distinct from cysts. Cysts are sacs filled with fluid, air, or other materials. These would include structures such as ovarian cysts and sebaceous cysts (found just under the skin)......virtually always benign. Tumors are masses of abnormal growth of tissue......benign or malignant.

    Both can be found anywhere in the body.

    Some articles re: Quinn related that the structure was DRAINED and that it was NOT REMOVED (listen to Sporting News Video).

    He never had a classic "tumor" (a term used by a nonmedical writer) at all and does not accordingly have one now. Likewise, he had a cyst structure which was drained, but the cyst wall itself was not removed. Most likely the cyst wall was intracranially shunted or fenestrated (holes were placed) so that any continued cystic wall fluid production would leak out into a surrounding area that had normal free drainage, thus disallowing recurrent fluid build up in a confined space with its accompanying expanding brain compression. With all this information, although never specifically identified, it is most probable that this is, indeed, an arachnoid cyst.
     
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    MSR in order to get back to CND.

    Quinn has the most upside in Wade's system of any 3-4 OLB in the draft. He has the quickness, the size, the strength. He's the complete package. I just have zero confidence that the Texans medical staff will get this right, no matter what the recommendation on Quinn is.

    Cynical? Yes. But, it's an earned cynicism.
     
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    I would project Von Miller #1 3-4 OLB in the 2011 draft.
     
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    Think Quin's ceiling is higher but there are a lot of question marks to get there.
     
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    Quite simply, Quin is a natural 4-3 DE, upside is there but so is Von Miller as a 3-4 OLB. two different players, two different positions.
     
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    Yeah, can you answer the bolded question? :D

     

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