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Potential reasons for not drafting a FS

As others have mentioned, the coaching staff has a lot better handle on what's going on with personel than the unwashed masses (us)do. I've been pondering the lack of urgency as well. I did go back and watch quite a few Troy Nolan highlights and he looked really good to these untrained eyes.

Also these Day 9 OTA quotes, to me, sounded very encouraging:

(on how SS Troy Nolan looks) "He's way ahead. You can tell he paid attention to what he was doing last year, and just didn't take an I.R. year and do nothing. He was into what was going on, into game plans and into meetings, and because of that he's got a chance to be very competitive real early."

(on if SS Troy Nolan is mentally and physically ready) "Mentally, like I said, he's done all of his homework and has done what he needs to do, so we'll see. It's hard to tell until you put the pads on right now, but obviously he's kept up and is doing a good job."

I would love to see this guy light it up this year.
 
potential reasons for not drafting a FS?

because they don't know s**t from shinola?

well Smithiak-bashing aside, we could sign Atogwe. more of a hybrid safety but better than any FS we have on the roster aside from an aging and perhaps still-injured Wilson. Atogwe would cost some money, probably around $5million per, so that pretty much rules him out.

we wouldn't even spend $3million per to get a decent veteran running back.

Tate better be good and he better be healthy or Smithiak look worse than they already do this offseason.
 
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truth hurts. 6-10 here we come.

but at least we were 9-7 last year...that was an awesome 'victory' parade

but yeah, God forbid a fan want their team to sign a player to improve the team

i am soooo off-base here. what a horrible fan I am for wanting the team to address the safety position

God forbid the team improve the team by spending $. what a horrible thing to say.

when we are sucking the tailpipe next year, don't tell me I didn't warn you...

just like I warned a lot of you before...no one listened then so why should I be surprised now.

but then again, most people will act like they saw it coming all along like they did with Carr
its funny how the same people that act like 9-7 was a success and that Kubiak is a good coach and that this was a good offseason are the same clueless homers that thought Carr was the cat's meow.

you know who you are, i won't point any fingers
 
Second Honeymoon said:
potential reasons for not drafting a FS?

because they don't know s**t from shinola?

well Smithiak-bashing aside, we could sign Atogwe. more of a hybrid safety but better than any FS we have on the roster aside from an aging and perhaps still-injured Wilson. Atogwe would cost some money, probably around $5million per, so that pretty much rules him out.

we wouldn't even spend $3million per to get a decent veteran running back.

Tate better be good and he better be healthy or Smithiak look worse than they already do this offseason.
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So you think a player 1)who missed the last four games with a major shoulder surgery, 2) apparently has a sports hernia, and 3) is not even a FS is a better FS than anyone we have on roster?

Really? Wow. I think your hatred of Kubiak is affecitng your thinking.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
truth hurts. 6-10 here we come.

but at least we were 9-7 last year...that was an awesome 'victory' parade

but yeah, God forbid a fan want their team to sign a player to improve the team

i am soooo off-base here. what a horrible fan I am for wanting the team to address the safety position

God forbid the team improve the team by spending $. what a horrible thing to say.

when we are sucking the tailpipe next year, don't tell me I didn't warn you...

just like I warned a lot of you before...no one listened then so why should I be surprised now.

but then again, most people will act like they saw it coming all along like they did with Carr
its funny how the same people that act like 9-7 was a success and that Kubiak is a good coach and that this was a good offseason are the same clueless homers that thought Carr was the cat's meow.

you know who you are, i won't point any fingers
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I don't know why I'm bothering to respond, but I'll try and spell it out for you.

Many of us agree with your general assessment that the Texans need a FS. But your assertion that McNair won't spend the money on one is off base. Atogwe is not likely going to be signed by anyone for a real contract, because of injury issues. If the Texans can sign him to an incentive-laden deal, hinged upon his health, I'd be ecstatic with that. But to just go out and spend money because there's no cap is pretty ****ing stupid.

Most of your "Bob is cheap" bashing comes off as one petulant fan ranting just to hear himself rant because you don't actually come up with real, honest, solid and productive ways to spend money. I want a DT that eats up space next to one of our ten freakin' 3-tech DTs, but if I don't have a specific target in mind that isn't a waste of money, then I'm not going to bash McNair for not spending. I wanted a FS, like you, but Sharper never planned on letting us entertain the idea. Atogwe is damaged goods until proven otherwise.

You're still chapped about DRob .... OK, I get that. But the dude isn't worth the money, and I'll go a step further and say he just flat isn't any good any more - certainly no better than average. Factor in his attitude, and there's no way he should have been signed.

Now, I could be wrong about that, I admit. That's the difference between you and most of the other posters here. You insist that you're right, and there's no other possibility. If DRob has a horrible year and our secondary holds its own, are you willing to back off that stance? There's nothing wrong with wanting your team to be better, but you come off like a petulant child most of the time. And I'm not saying that to be harsh or anything, because like I alluded to above, I do find value in many of your posts, but you go too far. You don't know any more than anyone else how the money should best be spent.
 
drs23 said:
As others have mentioned, the coaching staff has a lot better handle on what's going on with personel than the unwashed masses (us)do. I've been pondering the lack of urgency as well. I did go back and watch quite a few Troy Nolan highlights and he looked really good to these untrained eyes.

Also these Day 9 OTA quotes, to me, sounded very encouraging:

(on how SS Troy Nolan looks) "He's way ahead. You can tell he paid attention to what he was doing last year, and just didn't take an I.R. year and do nothing. He was into what was going on, into game plans and into meetings, and because of that he's got a chance to be very competitive real early."

(on if SS Troy Nolan is mentally and physically ready) "Mentally, like I said, he's done all of his homework and has done what he needs to do, so we'll see. It's hard to tell until you put the pads on right now, but obviously he's kept up and is doing a good job."

I would love to see this guy light it up this year.
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Really and honestly I hope he does too, but I'm in no way counting on it. I'd would've felt a lot better had they gone after someone who has a track record at FS and can stay healthy.

Unfortunately we boxed ourselves in early the early rounds of the draft and couldn't address it then.
 
SH, it finally dawned on me as to why you are always on McNair about being cheap...

You are a big Uncle Drayton fan. You won't be satisfied until Bob makes a great Signing like the Carlos Lee deal. See how that worked out?

The signing of big name talent does not often lead to success. How has Washington done?
 
JB said:
SH, it finally dawned on me as to why you are always on McNair about being cheap...

You are a big Uncle Drayton fan. You won't be satisfied until Bob makes a great Signing like the Carlos Lee deal. See how that worked out?

The signing of big name talent does not often lead to success. How has Washington done?
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Agree on the Washington part.

I might get hosed on this but, I don't think the Lee signing has been as turrible as some people. Past couple of season's he's been one of the few consistent hitters in the lineup. I will agree that he is a defensive liability in the outfield. It's just too bad we've got a guy like Berkman who has generally been consistent (when healthy) at both spots.

The move I think that has hosed this team is the Tejada trade.
 
Im probably way late...but Otagwe from the Rams didnt sign his tender/resign with them.

Otagwe and Pollard? ill take it.
 
Goldensilence said:
Agree on the Washington part.

I might get hosed on this but, I don't think the Lee signing has been as turrible as some people. Past couple of season's he's been one of the few consistent hitters in the lineup. I will agree that he is a defensive liability in the outfield. It's just too bad we've got a guy like Berkman who has generally been consistent (when healthy) at both spots.

The move I think that has hosed this team is the Tejada trade.
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I think the move that hosed this team is the trade for that pitcher from Colorado that was injured all year. We gave up way too much for him. Thanks Pupu. Lee was ok the first couple of years, but that deal was ludicrous even at the time from a value standpoint.
 
JB said:
I think the move that hosed this team is the trade for that pitcher from Colorado that was injured all year. We gave up way too much for him. Thanks Pupu. Lee was ok the first couple of years, but that deal was ludicrous even at the time from a value standpoint.
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We did not really give up much for Jennings. All we gave up was Taylor Bucholtz, Jason Hirsh, and Willy taveras for Jason Jennings and Miguel Ascascio.

Taveras: defensive specialist at best. bounced around from Colorado to CIncy to the Reds and Nationals. I think he was given his release this year and is unsigned.

Hirsh:never panned out. Got injured in Colorado and was traded to the Yankees in a player to be named later situation. Is currently at AAA Scranton and is 4-5 3.92 ERA in 11 games.

Bucholtz: struggled initially as a starter. Did great as a setup man and then missed all of 2009 with tommy john surgery and is still not back. May be out half of 2010.

Jennings: NADA for Htown

Ascencio: FA.

What killed the Stros was a combination of:
1. Poor drafting
2. spending big bucks on declining FAs(Lee, Tejada, Matsui, etc) rather than investing in rookies
3. trying to "reload" rather than rebuild with a small budget. If you want to reload like the Yankees/Red Sox you must spend close to 150+mill you cannot do it for less than 100.
 
awtysst said:
We did not really give up much for Jennings. All we gave up was Taylor Bucholtz, Jason Hirsh, and Willy taveras for Jason Jennings and Miguel Ascascio.

Taveras: defensive specialist at best. bounced around from Colorado to CIncy to the Reds and Nationals. I think he was given his release this year and is unsigned.

Hirsh:never panned out. Got injured in Colorado and was traded to the Yankees in a player to be named later situation. Is currently at AAA Scranton and is 4-5 3.92 ERA in 11 games.

Bucholtz: struggled initially as a starter. Did great as a setup man and then missed all of 2009 with tommy john surgery and is still not back. May be out half of 2010.

Jennings: NADA for Htown

Ascencio: FA.

What killed the Stros was a combination of:
1. Poor drafting
2. spending big bucks on declining FAs(Lee, Tejada, Matsui, etc) rather than investing in rookies
3. trying to "reload" rather than rebuild with a small budget. If you want to reload like the Yankees/Red Sox you must spend close to 150+mill you cannot do it for less than 100.
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I agree with you, but at the time, Buchholtz & Hirsh were top level prospects. You could not forsee their future. At the time it was awfully bright. And Taveras could have been our Bourne. His hitting was not terrible here.

I am not saying that any of the three would be good, just at that time it was way too much to give up for a pitcher that had one good year.

That was the move that started the depletion of our minor league system.
 
JB said:
I think the move that hosed this team is the trade for that pitcher from Colorado that was injured all year. We gave up way too much for him. Thanks Pupu. Lee was ok the first couple of years, but that deal was ludicrous even at the time from a value standpoint.
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True on Jennings. Jeeze I must've erased it from my mind. Can you blame me?

Now that I remember I thought there was a lot of speculation even prior to the trade about his health.


Btw you spelt poo poo wrong. :)
 
Goldensilence said:
True on Jennings. Jeeze I must've erased it from my mind. Can you blame me?

Now that I remember I thought there was a lot of speculation even prior to the trade about his health.


Btw you spelt poo poo wrong. :)
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Just wanted to make sure everyone knew which Pupu I was talking about...
 
Second Honeymoon said:
but then again, most people will act like they saw it coming all along like they did with Carr
its funny how the same people that act like 9-7 was a success and that Kubiak is a good coach and that this was a good offseason are the same clueless homers that thought Carr was the cat's meow.

you know who you are, i won't point any fingers
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For the record, I'd like to point out, I was on the anti-Carr wagon waaaayyyy back, but I think Kubiak is the bees-knees.
 
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