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  1. bah007

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    I know this is a lot of info, but this is my complete updated board. Position rankings with grades. The difference between the FA and UDFA grade is that the FAs are basically the priority free agents. I don't rate these players as draftable but I could see a team using a 7th on them if they wanted to make sure nobody else could sign them. The UDFAs are the top undrafted players who I think would have a shot at a NFL roster.

    QB
    1st
    1. Teddy Bridgewater – Louisville
    2. Blake Bortles – UCF
    3. Johnny Manziel – Texas A&M
    2nd
    4. Derek Carr – Fresno St
    5. Zach Mettenberger – LSU
    3rd
    6. Jimmy Garoppolo – Eastern Illinois
    4th
    7. Aaron Murray – Georgia
    8. A.J. McCarron – Alabama
    5th
    9. Brett Smith – Wyoming
    10. David Fales – San Jose St
    11. Connor Shaw – South Carolina
    12. Logan Thomas – Virginia Tech
    6th
    13. Tajh Boyd – Clemson
    14. Bryn Renner – North Carolina
    7th
    15. Tom Savage – Pittsburgh
    16. Jeff Mathews – Cornell
    FA
    17. Stephen Morris – Miami
    18. Keith Wenning – Ball St
    UDFA
    19. Keith Price – Washington
    20. Casey Pachall – TCU
    21. Dustin Vaughan – West Texas A&M

    RB
    1st
    1. Tre Mason – Auburn
    2. Bishop Sankey – Washington
    2nd
    3. Carlos Hyde – Ohio St
    4. Charles Sims – West Virginia
    3rd
    5. Lache Seastrunk – Baylor
    6. Andre Williams – Boston College
    7. Ka’Deem Carey – Arizona
    8. Jeremy Hill – LSU
    4th
    9. Terrance West – Towson
    10. Jerick McKinnon – Georgia Southern
    11. Isaiah Crowell – Alabama St
    5th
    12. Storm Johnson – UCF
    13. Tim Cornett – UNLV
    14. LaDarius Perkins – Mississippi St
    6th
    15. Tyler Gaffney – Stanford
    16. Henry Josey – Missouri
    17. Alfred Blue – LSU
    18. Devonta Freeman – Florida St
    7th
    19. James White – Wisconsin
    20. Lorenzo Taliaferro – Coastal Carolina
    21. Kapri Bibbs – Colorado St
    22. Marion Grice – Arizona St
    FA
    23. George Atkinson III – Notre Dame
    24. Damien Williams – Oklahoma
    25. Antonio Andrews – Western Kentucky
    UDFA
    26. Silas Redd – USC
    27. Tim Flanders – Sam Houston St
    28. David Fluellen – Toledo
    29. Raijun Neal – Tennessee
    30. Jordan Lynch – Northern Illinois
    31. Adam Muema – San Diego St

    FB
    4th
    1. Trey Millard – Oklahoma
    5th
    2. J.C. Copeland – LSU
    3. Jay Prosch – Auburn
    4. Reggie Jordan – Missouri Western St
    7th
    5. James Wilder Jr. – Florida St
    6. Ryan Hewitt – Stanford
    FA
    7. Jacob Pederson – Wisconsin
    UDFA
    8. Chad Abram – Florida St
    9. Chris Coyle – Arizona St

    WR
    1st
    1. Sammy Watkins – Clemson
    2. Odell Beckham Jr. – LSU
    3. Mike Evans – Texas A&M
    4. Marqise Lee – USC
    5. Dontre Moncrief – Ole Miss
    2nd
    6. Jordan Matthews – Vanderbilt
    7. Brandin Cooks – Oregon St
    8. Kelvin Benjamin – Florida St
    9. Allen Robinson – Penn St
    10. Davante Adams – Fresno St
    3rd
    11. Jarvis Landry – LSU
    12. Martavis Bryant – Clemson
    13. Paul Richardson – Colorado
    14. Robert Herron – Wyoming
    4th
    15. Jared Abbrederis – Wisconsin
    16. Bruce Ellington – South Carolina
    5th
    17. Jeff Janis – Saginaw Valley
    18. Jeremy Gallon – Michigan
    19. Mike Davis – Texas
    20. Brandon Coleman – Rutgers
    6th
    21. Devin Street – Pittsburgh
    22. Dri Archer – Kent St
    23. John Brown – Pittsburgh St
    24. T.J. Jones – Notre Dame
    25. Michael Campanaro – Wake Forest
    7th
    26. Kevin Norwood – Alabama
    27. Josh Huff – Oregon
    28. L’Damian Washington – Missouri
    29. Marcus Lucas – Missouri
    30. Cody Latimer – Indiana
    FA
    31. Tevin Reese – Baylor
    32. De’Anthony Thomas – Oregon
    33. Corey Brown – Ohio St
    UDFA
    34. Austin Franklin – New Mexico St
    35. Albert Wilson – Georgia St
    36. Matt Hazel – Coastal Carolina
    37. Shaquille Evans – UCLA
    38. Quincy Enunwa – Nebraska
    39. Jalen Saunders – Oklahoma
    40. Willie Snead – Ball St
    41. Bennie Fowler – Michigan St
    42. Damian Copeland – Louisville
    43. Ryan Grant – Tulane

    TE
    1st
    1. Eric Ebron – North Carolina
    2. Troy Niklas – Notre Dame
    2nd
    3. Jace Amaro – Texas Tech
    4. Austin Seferian-Jenkins – Washington
    3rd
    5. C.J. Fiedorowicz – Iowa
    6. Arthur Lynch – Georgia
    4th
    7. Crockett Gillmore – Colorado St
    8. Joe Don Duncan – Dixie St
    5th
    9. A.C. Leonard – Tennessee St
    10. Marcel Jensen – Fresno St
    11. Xavier Grimble – USC
    12. Richard Rogers – California
    6th
    13. Colt Lyerla – Oregon
    7th
    14. Jake Murphy – Utah
    15. Rob Blanchflower – Massachusetts
    FA
    16. Trey Burton – Florida
    17. Jordan Najvar – Baylor
    UDFA
    18. Anthony Denham – Utah
    19. Nic Jacobs – McNeese St
    20. D.J. Tialavea – Utah St

    OT
    1st
    1. Greg Robinson – Auburn
    2. Jake Matthews – Texas A&M
    3. Taylor Lewan – Michigan
    4. Antonio Richardson – Tennessee
    2nd
    5. Morgan Moses – Virginia
    6. Cyrus Kouandjio – Alabama
    3rd
    7. JuWaun James – Tennessee
    8. Joel Bitonio – Nevada
    9. James Hurst – North Carolina
    4th
    10. Cameron Fleming – Stanford
    11. Seantrel Henderson – Miami
    12. Billy Turner – North Dakota St
    13. Wesley Johnson – Vanderbilt
    5th
    14. Michael Schofield – Michigan
    15. Jack Mewhort – Ohio St
    6th
    16. Matt Patchan – Boston College
    7th
    17. Charles Leno – Boise St
    18. Justin Britt – Missouri
    19. Austin Wentworth – Fresno St
    FA
    20. Cornelius Lucas – Kansas St
    UDFA
    21. Danny Kistler Jr. – Montana
    22. Matt Hall – Belhaven
    23. Jeremiah Sirles – Nebraska
    24. Donald Hawkins – Texas

    OG
    1st
    1. Zack Martin – Notre Dame
    2nd
    2. Gabe Jackson – Mississippi St
    3. Xavier Su’a-Filo – UCLA
    4. Brandon Thomas – Clemson
    3rd
    5. David Yankey – Stanford
    6. Cyril Richardson – Baylor
    4th
    7. Kadeem Edwards – Tennessee St
    8. Anthony Steen – Alabama
    9. Trai Turner – LSU
    5th
    10. Chris Watt – Notre Dame
    11. Spencer Long – Nebraska
    12. Zach Fulton – Tennessee
    6th
    13. Jon Halapio – Florida
    14. John Urschel – Penn St
    7th
    15. Brandon Linder – Miami
    16. Dakota Dozier – Furman
    17. Connor Boffeli – Iowa
    FA
    18. Matt Feiler – Bloomsburg
    19. Ryan Groy – Wisconsin
    UDFA
    20. Michael Philipp – Oregon St
    21. Antwan Lowery – Rutgers
    22. Andrew Norwell – Ohio St
    23. John Martinez – USC

    C
    2nd
    1. Weston Richburg – Colorado St
    3rd
    2. Marcus Martin – USC
    3. Travis Swanson – Arkansas
    4th
    4. Russell Bodine – North Carolina
    5. Bryan Stork – Florida St
    6th
    6. James Stone – Tennessee
    7. Gabe Ikard – Oklahoma
    7th
    8. Tyler Larsen – Utah St
    9. Jonotthan Harrison – Florida
    FA
    10. Matt Armstrong – Grand Valley St
    11. Corey Linsley – Ohio St
    UDFA
    12. Matt Paradis – Boise St
    13. Khalil Wilkes – Stanford
     
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    1st
    1. Jadeveon Clowney – South Carolina
    2. Kony Ealy – Missouri
    3. Stephon Tuitt – Notre Dame
    4. Kareem Martin – North Carolina
    2nd
    5. Trent Murphy – Stanford
    6. Chris Smith – Arkansas
    7. Scott Crichton – Oregon St
    3rd
    8. Jackson Jeffcoat – Texas
    9. Marcus Smith – Louisville
    10. Trevor Reilly – Utah
    11. Adrian Hubbard – Alabama
    4th
    12. Brent Urban – Virginia
    13. Will Clarke – West Virginia
    5th
    14. Demarcus Lawrence – Boise St
    15. Taylor Hart – Oregon
    16. Josh Mauro – Stanford
    6th
    17. Aaron Lynch – USF
    18. Larry Webster – Bloomsburg
    19. Michael Sam – Missouri
    7th
    20. Devon Kennard – USC
    21. James Gayle – Virginia Tech
    22. Kasim Edeball – Boston College
    23. Jonathan Newsome – Ball St
    FA
    24. Cassius Marsh – UCLA
    25. Nosa Eguae – Auburn
    26. Zach Moore – Concordia-St. Paul
    27. Kenny Anunike – Duke
    UDFA
    28. I.K. Enemkpali – Louisiana Tech
    29. Kerry Wynn – Richmond
    30. Ethan Westbrooks – West Texas A&M
    31. Tevin Mims – South Florida
    32. Ben Gardner – Stanford
    33. Chaz Sutton – South Carolina

    DT
    1st
    1. Aaron Donald – Pittsburgh
    2. Timmy Jernigan – Florida St
    3. Louis Nix – Notre Dame
    2nd
    4. Ra’Shede Hageman – Minnesota
    5. Dominique Easley – Florida
    6. Kelcy Quarles – South Carolina
    7. Will Sutton – Arizona St
    3rd
    8. DaQuan Jones – Penn St
    9. DeAndre Coleman – California
    10. Ego Ferguson – LSU
    4th
    11. Caraun Reid – Princeton
    12. Anthony Johnson – LSU
    13. George Uko – USC
    14. Ryan Carrethers – Arkansas St
    5th
    15. Daniel McCullers – Tennessee
    16. Shamar Stephen – Connecticut
    17. Ed Stinson – Alabama
    6th
    18. Justin Ellis – Louisiana Tech
    19. Zach Kerr – Delware
    20. Jeoffrey Pagan – Alabama
    21. Eathyn Manumaleuna – BYU
    7th
    22. Jay Bromley – Syracuse
    23. Mike Pennel – Colorado St-Pueblo
    24. Kaleb Ramsey – Boston College
    25. Chris Whaley – Texas
    FA
    26. Khyri Thornton – Southern Mississippi
    UDFA
    27. Robert Thomas – Arkansas
    28. Tenny Palepoi – Utah
    29. Kerry Hyder – Texas Tech
    30. Bruce Gaston – Purdue
    31. Calvin Barnett – Oklahoma St

    OLB
    1st
    1. Khalil Mack – Buffalo
    2. Anthony Barr – UCLA
    3. Ryan Shazier – Ohio St
    4. Kyle Van Noy – BYU
    5. Dee Ford – Auburn
    2nd
    6. Lamin Barrow – LSU
    3rd
    7. Telvin Smith – Florida St
    8. Jeremiah Attaochu – Georgia Tech
    4th
    9. Jordan Zumwalt – UCLA
    10. Kevin Pierre-Louis – Boston College
    11. Christian Kirksey – Iowa
    12. Tyler Starr – South Dakota
    5th
    13. Jordan Tripp – Montana
    14. Prince Shembo – Notre Dame
    15. Khairi Fortt – California
    6th
    16. Boseko Lokombo – Oregon
    17. Howard Jones – Shepherd
    7th
    18. Anthony Hitchens – Iowa
    FA
    19. Morgan Breslin – USC
    UDFA
    20. Ronald Powell – Florida
    21. Denicos Allen – Michigan St
    22. Corey Nelson – Oklahoma

    ILB
    1st
    1. C.J. Moseley – Alabama
    2nd
    2. Carl Bradford – Arizona St
    3. Chris Borland – Wisconsin
    4. Yawin Smallwood – Connecticut
    5. Shayne Skov – Stanford
    3rd
    6. Christian Jones – Florida St
    4th
    7. Andrew Jackson – Western Kentucky
    5th
    8. Max Bullough – Michigan St
    6th
    9. Preston Brown – Louisville
    10. Avery Williamson – Kentucky
    7th
    11. James Morris – Iowa
    12. Greg Blair – Cincinnati
    13. Shaquil Barrett – Colorado St
    FA
    14. Devin Unga – BYU
    15. Jeremiah George – Iowa St
    UDFA
    16. Glenn Carson – Penn St
    17. Jonathan Brown – Illinois

    CB
    1st
    1. Justin Gilbert – Oklahoma St
    2. Darqueze Dennard – Michigan St
    3. Jason Verrett – TCU
    4. Kyle Fuller – Virginia Tech
    2nd
    5. Bradley Roby – Ohio St
    6. Keith McGill – Utah
    3rd
    7. Marcus Roberson – Florida
    8. E.J. Gaines – Missouri
    9. Terrance Mitchell – Oregon
    4th
    10. Ross Cockrell – Duke
    11. Loucheiz Purifoy – Florida
    12. Rashaad Reynolds – Oregon St
    13. Antone Exum – Virginia Tech
    14. Jaylen Watkins – Florida
    15. Andre Hal – Vanderbilt
    5th
    16. Jabari Price – North Carolina
    17. Aaron Colvin – Oklahoma
    18. Phillip Gaines – Rice
    19. Bashaud Breeland – Clemson
    20. Bennett Jackson – Notre Dame
    6th
    21. Victor Hampton – South Carolina
    22. B.J. Lowery – Iowa
    23. Deion Belue – Alabama
    24. Nevin Lawson – Utah St
    7th
    25. Brandon Dixon – Northwest Missouri St
    26. Chris Davis – Auburn
    FA
    27. Kendall James – Maine
    28. Travis Carrie – Ohio
    29. Marcus Williams – North Dakota St
    30. Keith Reaser – Florida Atlantic
    31. Todd Washington – Southeastern Louisiana
    UDFA
    32. Walt Aikens – Liberty
    33. Demetri Goodson – Baylor
    34. Ricardo Allen – Purdue
    35. Carrington Byndom – Texas
    36. Dexter McDougle – Maryland

    FS
    1st
    1. HaHa Clinton-Dix – Alabama
    2nd
    2. Lamarcus Joyner – Florida St
    3. Deone Bucannon – Washington St
    4. Calvin Pryor – Louisville
    3rd
    5. Terrence Brooks – Florida St
    6. Pierre Desir – Lindenwood
    7. Jimmie Ward – Northern Illinois
    4th
    8. Stanley Jean-Baptiste – Nebraska
    9. Tre Boston – North Carolina
    5th
    10. Dontae Johnson – North Carolina St
    11. Marqueston Huff – Wyoming
    6th
    12. Jonathan Dowling – Western Kentucky
    FA
    13. Alden Darby – Arizona St
    14. Jemea Thomas – Georgia Tech
    UDFA
    15. Dez Southward – Wisconsin
    16. Lavelle Westbrooks – Georgia Southern
    17. Christian Bryant – Ohio St

    SS
    2nd
    1. Craig Loston – LSU
    3rd
    2. Ed Reynolds – Stanford
    4th
    3. Ahmad Dixon – Baylor
    4. Kenny Ladler – Vanderbilt
    6th
    5. Daniel Sorensen – BYU
    6. Brock Vereen – Minnesota
    7. Dion Bailey – USC
    8. Mo Alexander – Utah St
    9. Isaiah Lewis – Michigan St
    FA
    10. Hakeem Smith – Louisville
    11. Nickoe Whitley – Mississippi St
    UDFA
    12. Vinnie Sunseri – Alabama
    13. Nat Berhe – San Diego St
    14. Ty Zimmerman – Kansas St
     
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    6th
    1. Anthony Fera – Texas
    7th
    2. Chris Boswell – Rice
    3. Jeff Budzien – Northwestern
    UDFA
    4. Zach Hocker – Arkansas
    5. Cairo Santos – Tulane
    6. Mike Meyer – Iowa
    7. Aaron Jones – Baylor

    P
    6th
    1. Steven Clark – Auburn
    7th
    2. Pat O’Donnell – Miami
    FA
    3. Tom Hornsey – Memphis
    UDFA
    4. Richie Leone – Houston
    5. Cody Webster – Purdue
     
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    MSR, someone please get him for me.

    Do your rankings change at all if we're solely looking at 3-4 two-gap? Or are you just looking at pure talent at their listed position regardless of scheme?
     
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    This is not specific to the Texans. This is just based on overall talent. The board would look drastically different if it were specifically for the Texans. A lot of talented players would be left off completely due to scheme, injury, attitude, or any number of reasons.
     
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    That's the next exercise -- doing a Texans draft board vs. an overall.

    Great as usual, MSR.
     
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    That's what I thought. Just wanted to make sure. Thanks again for this! Awesome job!
     
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    36 w/ 1st round grade - wonder who'll be getting a steal in the early 2nd.
     


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    35. Leaves us some good options at #33.
     
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    Got him, great job Bah.

    There should be one of your guys in every rd for the Texans to pick.

    Our DB ratings are different. Although I didn't go as in depth as you have. I also have Justin Ellis rated in the 3rd/4th rd range. Glad to see you've got my sleeper OL picked (Patchan)
     
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    I think we're both huge fans of Patchan. I'd love to see him stay healthy for awhile. He's very talented.

    I like Ellis but don't love him. Like most big DTs who played at small schools, he is very raw and needs a lot of coaching. He's gotten by on size only up to this point.
     
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    He's got good feet though.

    Reminds me of Kendrick Ellis/Chris Baker. 2 very solid big guys.
     
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    What's the difference between a FA and an UDFA? Wouldn't a FA also be undrafted?

    I know you have them at #2 and #3 WR, but do you really like Beckham over Mike Evans?
     
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    A UDFA is a person who didn't get drafted and therefore is free to sign with any team. (Undrafted Free Agent)

    A FA is a player who may or may not have been drafted, had signed a contract with an NFL team and could've either been been released or played out their contract. Either way they are no longer under contract therefore making them a free agent (FA).
     
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    Right now, the big difference is FAs can be signed before the next draft.
     
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    Look at the question in context. We are in the draft forum. It is on post combine rankings. The list obviously is not talking about FAs in the sense of NFL players who are no longer under contract due to expiration of their contract or release as none are listed.
     
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    There's no real difference. It's only my designation to signify a difference in talent level. I can see how it looks confusing.

    The guys I list as FA are guys that I wouldn't use a pick on but I could see why a team would. They are also the first guys I expect to be picked up as free agents as soon as the last pick is in. Basically the top crop of undrafted players.

    The guys I list as UDFA are guys that I wouldn't draft whatsoever but I think they could possibly make a roster in the right situation.

    I tried to clear this up in the original post but I don't think I did a very good job.

    I do. He is quicker, more athletic, has better hands, and is far more polished. That's not to say that Evans is deficient in any of those areas, but I have Beckham rated higher in each one. Basically, Evans' only advantage is that he's bigger.
     
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    I don't agree with all of the advantages you've given Beckham over Evans. But even if I did, you're dismissing Evans' size advantage too quickly. Look at the top WRs in the NFL. Their profile fits Evans more so than Beckham. Big WRs are dominating the league. Evans has 5" and 30lbs on Beckham, and is plenty athletic. I think the conversation should be who is #1 between Watkins and Evans rather than who is #2.
     
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    I tend to agree with Lucky on this one. Reminds me of a faster version of Jimmy Graham. He is going to be a match-up nightmare for most teams. A prime time player, tested out very close in respective combine, close to same arm length, vertical & forty (Jimmy outweighed him by 30 lbs). :specnatz:
     
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    To each their own. It depends on how you define the top WRs in the NFL. By the top 10 in receiving yards last season here is where their size measures:

    Similar to Evans:
    Calvin Johnson
    Demaryius Thomas
    Andre Johnson

    Closer to Evans than Beckham:
    Josh Gordon
    Alshon Jeffery
    Jordy Nelson

    Closer to Beckham than Evans:
    A.J. Green
    Pierre Garcon

    Similar to Beckham:
    Antonio Brown
    DeSean Jackson

    That's a pretty wide variety of guys. It's not like every single great WR is 6-4, 230. There are dominant big WRs in the NFL. I would never deny that. But just because Evans is big too does not mean that he will be just as dominant. I have this argument with a different poster every single year and I've been right every time so far (which may mean I'm due to be wrong soon). Size is a great thing to have for a WR, but it can also be a detriment to development. Too often these big guys don't develop the necessary skills to beat coverage because they have never had to. Then they get to the NFL and it's a whole different world.

    The main point is that I see Evans as a more dominating athlete with a higher potential ceiling, but I see Beckham as a more skilled football player with a far higher floor because he has already learned the intricacies of the position as he will have to play it at the next level. That's on tape and not debatable.

    Evans is very raw and gets by on being bigger than the guy covering him. When he faced CBs with NFL talent (E.J. Gaines, Ross Cockrell) who he couldn't out-athlete he disappeared, even with Manziel throwing to him.

    If you watch the games where Beckham has poor numbers you see him getting open consistently, but his QB can't get him the ball. That's not a problem Evans had except when they played LSU.

    Will Evans improve his skills when he gets to the NFL? I'm sure he will. But so will Beckham. Just because he's further along does not mean he will stop getting better.
     

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