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Outside of some stud Dlineman I dont think so. We don't need a QB, this is suppose to be a very strong OL draft so I dont think you need to pick in the top 5 to get a solid prospect either.Is there a cant miss prospect in this upcoming draft?
Not joking the best prospects coming out are defensive Lineman/edge rushers maybe as many as 8-10 in the top 12-15. There is almost no true value in tanking because it looks like there is no gotta have QB in the top 5 and bunches of the same position where everyone will be trying to get further down to get a similar player. that's the readin Octboer, lots can and will change later thoughIs there a cant miss prospect in this upcoming draft?
Sounds like the type of year we end up 1.1Not joking the best prospects coming out are defensive Lineman/edge rushers maybe as many as 8-10 in the top 12-15. There is almost no true value in tanking because it looks like there is no gotta have QB in the top 5 and bunches of the same position where everyone will be trying to get further down to get a similar player. that's the readin Octboer, lots can and will change later though
Never Tank.
Is there a worthy #1.1 to tank for? Texans odds say noWhy not ?!
If winning championships is the ultimate goal and getting rid of OB gets us closer to that goal … and a nice draft pick too …. why not ?
We're not getting rid of him 6-10 or better …. not with that fat extension , this team is gonna have to have a bad record with a healthy Watson to get rid of that guy masquerading as an NFL coach on the home teams sideline.
Honestly I hope they finish the season 1-15 assuming that ensures OB is tarred , feathered and run out of town. The first pick in the draft is just icing on the cake.
Is there a worthy #1.1 to tank for? Texans odds say no
If the goal is getting rid of OB then who is directing the tanking and how is this orchestrated around OB's authority?
Yes, but you saidDoesn't have to be a 1:1 …. or even a 1:5 , they can trade back (maybe even more than once) and get multiple picks in return which would expedite the fix - a couple top tier players at CB and OL and they solve most of their talent issues. They are competent at just about every other position ….
The main reason to tank is not 1:1 , that's just a bonus for a job well done …. but getting rid of OB and his extension is why you want a poor record. If they are 7-9 or 8-8 …. he aint going anywhere , its gonna take a 5 win or less season with a healthy Watson to get him gone.
We all know McNair is reluctant to make changes
Which led to my question... and I still question if there is anyone worth even a top 5 pick that would greatly help us. I've seen great at the top DL players and depth at OL but (other than OB getting canned) no reason to want a top pickThe first pick in the draft is just icing on the cake.
I get sucking, and OB in particular, but I thought the thread was about tanking.OB is in charge of getting rid of himself …. He's doing a wonderful job of it so far starting the season 1-3.
They really don't even have to try to lose , OB just makes dumb mistakes that cost the team points / games on a routine basis.
Yes, but you said
Which led to my question... and I still question if there is anyone worth even a top 5 pick that would greatly help us. I've seen great at the top DL players and depth at OL but (other than OB getting canned) no reason to want a top pick
6 of one , half a dozen of the other.I get sucking, and OB in particular, but I thought the thread was about tanking.
All the evidence for O’Brien to be gone has been presented.Why not ?!
If winning championships is the ultimate goal and getting rid of OB gets us closer to that goal … and a nice draft pick too …. why not ?
We're not getting rid of him 6-10 or better …. not with that fat extension , this team is gonna have to have a bad record with a healthy Watson to get rid of that guy masquerading as an NFL coach on the home teams sideline.
Honestly I hope they finish the season 1-15 assuming that ensures OB is tarred , feathered and run out of town. The first pick in the draft is just icing on the cake.
......not to mention, the QB Class at the moment looks pretty promising. If the Texans possessed the RD1-01 pick, they could easily hit the jackpot by trading back for more picks and still get Jonah Williams, the LT out of Alabama. That would be pretty amazing.Why not ?!
If winning championships is the ultimate goal and getting rid of OB gets us closer to that goal … and a nice draft pick too …. why not ?
We're not getting rid of him 6-10 or better …. not with that fat extension , this team is gonna have to have a bad record with a healthy Watson to get rid of that guy masquerading as an NFL coach on the home teams sideline.
Honestly I hope they finish the season 1-15 assuming that ensures OB is tarred , feathered and run out of town. The first pick in the draft is just icing on the cake.
I think I gave a pretty good reason in my post.....missed attaching your post as an additional quote.Yes, but you said
Which led to my question... and I still question if there is anyone worth even a top 5 pick that would greatly help us. I've seen great at the top DL players and depth at OL but (other than OB getting canned) no reason to want a top pick
Sure the evidence has been presented …. but if they end up 7-9 / 9-7 and just miss the post season , do you really believe McNair is gonna can OB after giving him that fat extension ?! I don't …. We'll hear how he's learning , growing on the job and that he deserves another year bla bl bla. Then we'll get the same damn results …. again and MAYBE move on the following year.All the evidence for O’Brien to be gone has been presented.
His slow starts and mishandling of just about everything is stark.
It doesn’t matter if they win out or not.
I could never tank, always play hard and try to win.
This is expectation that I have for the season. nothing more, nothing less.Sure the evidence has been presented …. but if they end up 7-9 / 9-7 and just miss the post season , do you really believe McNair is gonna can OB after giving him that fat extension ?! I don't …. We'll hear how he's learning , growing on the job and that he deserves another year bla bl bla. Then we'll get the same damn results …. again and MAYBE move on the following year.
The players aren't going to tank ….. Aint Happening. They might lose games but it wont be because they don't want to win. It'll be lack of talent or preparation.
How many 9-7 or 7-9 can they really stand?Sure the evidence has been presented …. but if they end up 7-9 / 9-7 and just miss the post season , do you really believe McNair is gonna can OB after giving him that fat extension ?! I don't …. We'll hear how he's learning , growing on the job and that he deserves another year bla bl bla. Then we'll get the same damn results …. again and MAYBE move on the following year.
The players aren't going to tank ….. Aint Happening. They might lose games but it wont be because they don't want to win. It'll be lack of talent or preparation.
How many 9-7 or 7-9 can they really stand?
Every team in the NFL is worth over a billion. Not sure what you’re getting at?As long as the seats are full , there's a long ass line for PSL's , the add revenue is riding high …. and they are selling tons of $8 beers.
The franchise is worth a whopping Billion Dollars …. and its never won jack. Think about that for a moment or three.
In answer to original thread we seem to be moving up the draft board trying to win so why try to lose? PapaL, not saying can't miss but players who should transfer skills quickly:Is there a cant miss prospect in this upcoming draft?
If tanking means ousting O'b chances are we won't be tanking as O'b would have to be in on it.If tanking leads to ousting BoB, fine because it means the players are not behind him but I don't think these players would do that.
I want this team to win and advance in the playoffs already.
Being mediocre with no chance to make the playoffs could be detrimental to an all important 2019 NFL Draft.We don't need to be bad on purpose to be bad.
easier to convince free agents to join a 9-7 team, than a 2-14 team. Players want to get paid, but they still want to win. Also tanking in the NFL is useless, careers are to short, contracts are short and not guaranteed. Browns tanked for years never helped them, jags were picking in the top 5 for how many years before finally having a winning season?Being mediocre with no chance to make the playoffs could be detrimental to an all important 2019 NFL Draft.
Poor FO kept the Browns from taking advantage of their situation in seasons past. With a new team in place, they did pretty well in the last draft.easier to convince free agents to join a 9-7 team, than a 2-14 team. Players want to get paid, but they still want to win. Also tanking in the NFL is useless, careers are to short, contracts are short and not guaranteed. Browns tanked for years never helped them, jags were picking in the top 5 for how many years before finally having a winning season?
Sure the evidence has been presented …. but if they end up 7-9 / 9-7 and just miss the post season , do you really believe McNair is gonna can OB after giving him that fat extension ?! I don't …. We'll hear how he's learning , growing on the job and that he deserves another year bla bl bla. Then we'll get the same damn results …. again and MAYBE move on the following year.
The players aren't going to tank ….. Aint Happening. They might lose games but it wont be because they don't want to win. It'll be lack of talent or preparation.
So I am now officially wrong about this team's final record and missing the playoffs.This is expectation that I have for the season. nothing more, nothing less.
Or 11-5/12-4 seasons?How many 9-7 or 7-9 can they really stand?
Never underestimate the heart of a champion. With Deshaun healthy, this team will always be a Super Bowl contender. Half our star players are over 26. You’re over thinking when you bring up the off season draft picks. I’m not even mad at you but you disappoint me. Like you guys that talk about draft picks have no faith in your team. You’ve never seen Deshaun in the playoffs. Stop trying to sound like a gm and root for your team. Smh be thankful you have the best young qb in the league.This team is once again TWO DRAFTS away from being a real 12-4 team who earned the record playing a top 5 schedule within a top AFC Division. If they finish 12-4, I'm going to feel like I just got to enjoy watching a David Copperfield Magic Show for 17 weeks.
Everyone would be very wise not to get caught up in the ether of this potential 12-4 season. Why? Next season the Texans will draw a 1st place schedule and the teams within the AFC will be better. The return of the Colts and a healthy Jags team will make the AFC much more chippy in 2019.
For Cal, Gaine and OB.....screw the pooch by making bad FA moves and having an off-draft and this team could hit a 2-14 bottom with a resounding thud.
Next season we will draw a 1st place schedule... obviously, next season we will also be better. It’s called progression man. I know you’re use to the Texans being mediocre but things changed since we have a true leader at the most important position in the game. The jags will continue being the jags and the colts arent special. You sound ridiculous man. You don’t sound like a Texan fanThis team is once again TWO DRAFTS away from being a real 12-4 team who earned the record playing a top 5 schedule within a top AFC Division. If they finish 12-4, I'm going to feel like I just got to enjoy watching a David Copperfield Magic Show for 17 weeks.
Everyone would be very wise not to get caught up in the ether of this potential 12-4 season. Why? Next season the Texans will draw a 1st place schedule and the teams within the AFC will be better. The return of the Colts and a healthy Jags team will make the AFC much more chippy in 2019.
For Cal, Gaine and OB.....screw the pooch by making bad FA moves and having an off-draft and this team could hit a 2-14 bottom with a resounding thud.
Yeah I don't get all the 1st place schedule talk1st place schedule only affects 2 games. Totally overrated. How scary are the Eagles this year?
No team is 2 drafts away. One coach away is more accurate.
A teams final standing only affects two games, in our case we'll get New England for sure, and either Pittsburgh or Baltimore. However you look at it, next year's schedule is a lot harder than this years.Yeah I don't get all the 1st place schedule talk
It is, but not because of the 1st place schedule. It will be a lot tougher for the entire divisionA teams final standing only affects two games, in our case we'll get New England for sure, and either Pittsburgh or Baltimore. However you look at it, next year's schedule is a lot harder than this years.
How is that a lot harder? We played NE this season. So we're down to one game.A teams final standing only affects two games, in our case we'll get New England for sure, and either Pittsburgh or Baltimore. However you look at it, next year's schedule is a lot harder than this years.