Pick your final 53 and PS

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  1. Porky

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    Ok this thread can really serve multiple purposes. We've got a lot of new guys, rookies, etc and watching these games and seeing a number and not knowing who it is can be an issue. So, I've copied all this into Word to have with me Friday. Ok, I know that's geeky but it might help.

    We have no long term injuries yet (knock on wood) and we are sure to get at least a couple of players cut from other teams, so this is very much less than perfect. It's simply an exercise to look at this roster and play GM for a minute and take a wild guess. Some will be easy, some we have no idea without seeing them play. That's what makes it interesting - a way to pass the time until Friday. So, I've got my 53 below, with my 8 man Practice Squad. More than likely, a couple of the 8 could also be from other teams, but let's go with what we currently have on the roster.

    A * means makes the final 53 as it looks opening day. PS is a guy that makes the Practice Squad. PUP should be obvious to football fans. Nothing next to a player means he is cut outright and does not make the PS or PUP. Players are listed in alphabetical order, divided by position.

    Offense -

    QB’s: (3)
    * 7 Keenum, Case QB 6-1 209 25 R Houston
    3 McGee, Stephen QB 6-3 225 27 4 Texas A&M
    * 8 Schaub, Matt QB 6-5 239 32 9 Virginia
    * 13 Yates, T.J. QB 6-4 219 26 2 North Carolina

    OL: (8)
    * 79 Brooks, Brandon G 6-5 340 23 R Miami (Ohio)
    * 76 Brown, Duane T 6-4 320 27 5 Virginia Tech
    61 Collins, Bryan G 6-3 301 R SMU
    66 Gardner, Andrew T 6-6 308 27 2 Georgia Tech
    * 68 Harris, Ryan T 6-5 300 28 5 Notre Dame
    78 Horn, Tyler C 6-4 305 1 Miami
    * 60 Jones, Ben C 6-3 303 24 R Georgia
    62 Kupper, Alex G 6-3 300 23 R Louisville
    69 Mondek, Nick T 6-5 303 24 R Purdue
    * 55 Myers, Chris C 6-4 290 31 8 Miami (Fla.)
    * 75 Newton, Derek T 6-5 318 25 2 Arkansas State
    * 77 Quessenberry, David T 6-5 302 R San Jose State
    * 74 Smith, Wade G 6-4 307 32 10 Memphis
    67 White, Cody G 6-3 301 25 R Illinois State
    PUP -73 Williams, Brennan T 6-6 318 R North Carolina

    RB: (3)
    * 23 Foster, Arian RB 6-1 229 26 4 Tennessee
    37 Graham, Ray RB 5-9 199 R Pittsburgh
    * 28 Johnson, Dennis RB 5-7 196 R Arkansas
    39 Karim, Deji RB 5-8 209 26 4 Southern Illinois
    * 44 Tate, Ben RB 5-11 215 24 3 Auburn
    PS 41 Wood, Cierre RB 5-11 213 R Notre Dame

    FB: (2)
    PS 45 Boren, Zach FB 6-0 238 R Ohio State
    * 40 Clutts, Tyler FB 6-2 260 28 2 Fresno State
    *33 Jones, Greg FB 6-1 265 32 9 Florida State

    TE: (3)
    PS 89 Byrne, Jake TE 6-4 260 23 R Wisconsin
    * 81 Daniels, Owen TE 6-3 249 30 7 Wisconsin
    * 88 Graham, Garrett TE 6-3 244 27 3 Wisconsin
    * 84 Griffin, Ryan TE 6-6 247 R Connecticut
    85 Schiltz, Adam TE 6-4 256 R Emporia State

    WR: (5)
    * 16 Bonner, Alan WR 5-10 193 R Jacksonville State
    12 Cruse, Andy WR 6-3 212 23 R Miami (Ohio)
    * 10 Hopkins, DeAndre WR 6-1 214 R Clemson
    * 18 Jean, Lestar WR 6-3 212 25 2 Florida Atlantic
    * 80 Johnson, Andre WR 6-3 230 32 10 Miami (Fla.)
    PS 17 Lemon, Alec WR 6-1 202 R Syracuse
    15 Maehl, Jeff WR 6-0 185 24 1 Oregon
    * 82 Martin, Keshawn WR 5-11 190 23 R Michigan State
    87 Nwachukwu, Uzoma WR 5-11 196 22 R Texas A&M
    PUP 11 Posey, DeVier WR 6-1 206 23 R Ohio State
    86 Smith, Mike WR 6-0 204 R Connecticut

    Defense -

    DL: (7)
    98 Browner, Keith DE 6-4 276 25 R California
    * 93 Crick, Jared DE 6-4 287 23 R Nebraska
    72 Hunter, David NT 6-2 303 23 R Houston
    * 96 Jamison, Tim DE 6-3 285 27 4 Michigan
    PS - 95 Jones, Chris DT 6-2 302 R Bowling Green
    * 97 McClain, Terrell NT 6-2 300 25 2 South Florida
    * 92 Mitchell, Earl NT 6-3 300 25 3 Arizona
    * 91 Muir, Daniel DT 6-2 322 29 7 Kent State
    71 Okine, Earl DE 6-6 284 R Florida
    * 94 Smith, Antonio DE 6-4 284 31 8 Oklahoma State
    * 99 Watt, J.J. DE 6-5 295 24 2 Wisconsin

    OLB: (5)
    * 50 Braman, Bryan LB 6-5 251 26 2 West Texas A&M
    * 63 Jefferson, Willie OLB 6-5 233 R Stephen F. Austin
    64 Johnson, Delano OLB 6-4 280 25 R Bowie State
    * 59 Mercilus, Whitney LB 6-4 257 23 R Illinois
    53 Mohamed, Mike LB 6-3 245 25 2 California
    PUP 57 Montgomery, Sam OLB 6-3 262 23 R LSU
    * 58 Reed, Brooks OLB 6-2 250 26 2 Arizona
    PS 47 Tuggle, Justin OLB 6-3 244 R Kansas State
    *54 Williams, Trevardo OLB 6-1 241 R Connecticut

    ILB: (4)
    PS 49 Collins, Cameron LB 6-2 241 23 R Oregon State
    * 56 Cushing, Brian ILB 6-3 255 26 4 Southern California
    61 Davis, Ja'Gared ILB 6-0 238 R SMU
    * 52 Dobbins, Tim LB 6-1 236 30 7 Iowa State
    *51 Mays, Joe MLB 5-11 245 28 6 North Dakota State
    * 51 Sharpton, Darryl ILB 5-11 234 25 3 Miami (Fla.)

    CB: (6)
    * 34 Bouye, A.J. CB 6-0 186 R Central Florida
    * 22 Carmichael, Roc CB 5-10 195 24 2 Virginia Tech
    * 26 Harris, Brandon CB 5-10 194 23 2 Miami (Fla.)
    27 Howard, Travis CB 6-1 200 R Ohio State
    * 25 Jackson, Kareem DB 5-10 192 25 3 Alabama
    * 24 Joseph, Johnathan CB 5-11 189 29 7 South Carolina
    43 Mack, Elbert CB 5-10 175 27 6 Troy
    * 21 McCain, Brice CB 5-9 184 26 4 Utah

    Safety: (4)
    30 Johnson, Orhian S 6-3 215 R Ohio State
    * 31 Keo, Shiloh S 6-0 202 25 2 Idaho
    * 38 Manning, Danieal S 5-11 210 30 7 Abilene Christian
    PS 35 Pleasant, Eddie SS 5-10 210 24 R Oregon
    29 Starling, Jawanza S 6-0 202 R S California
    * 36 Swearinger, D.J. S 5-10 208 R South Carolina
    * 20 Reed, Ed FS 5-11 205 34 11 Miami (Fla.)


    Special Teams - (3)
    * 4 Bullock, Randy K 5-9 208 23 R Texas A&M
    * 9 Lechler, Shane P 6-2 230 36 13 Texas A&M
    14 Shapiro, Andrew P 6-0 198 22 R Fresno State
    * 46 Weeks, Jon LS 5-10 248 27 3 Baylor
     
  2. The Pencil Neck

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    Just a note but I don't think Sam Montgomery is PUPable. He's played some TC snaps, iirc.
     
  3. Porky

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    Good point. What about Brennan Williams? Both guys could end up on IR as well. IR is just so difficult to predict but obviously to pretend that we come out of preseason totally clean is a pipe dream.
     
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    I'm not sure if Williams has had any TC snaps. He might be PUP-able but I'm not sure. I checked HT.com but they only show Arian, Posey, and Reed on the PUP.
     
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    Appreciate the work Porky. Anyone voice how Clutts is doing? Don't remember seeing him mention in TC thread.
     
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    PUP-able isn't a new word, but you certainly gave it a new meaning.
    I like it! Hahahaha!
     
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    Ya I haven't heard much either on Clutts. I just picked him for the roster almost by default. I'm thinking they'll want another guy handy if Jones goes down during a game, although if he isn't a good ST'er he might not be active on game day so who knows.
     
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    Clutts is having a good camp. Greg Jones appears to be rubbing off on him(?) He was staying late for extra work, nicely clearing holes, and had one of the TC pancake blocks on Braman.
     


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    Good info, do you see a second FB as a necessity or a luxury? I am leaning towards going with one and adding player elsewhere.
     
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    Ya I struggled with that when building the roster. It might/should come down to ST value.

    One thing I do like is that while the rest of the NFL is moving away from a FB, the Texans still use one as an integral part of the offense. That makes acquiring talent at FB cheaper and easier.

    Even though Jones is up there now, I think he is still in the conversation as the best all around FB in the NFL. And he isn't one dimensional. He can catch passes, and can take a few carries. And if injuries strike bad enough, he can even be a temporary feature back. Very versatile back, powerful blocker, and can catch passes. I'm very pleased with adding Jones to the roster.
     
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    I don't keep up with all the rules and stuff, but if a guy gets an injury that'll keep him out for 5 or 6 weeks during pre-season he has to be IR'd or kept on the active roster if the team wanted to keep him?
     
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    I think special teams with be big for Clutts.

    If Jones got hurt you could always run one back sets. I'd lean towards keeping him though...but he needs to have a strong pre-season I think.
     
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    I don't think we had much in the way of FB heavy blocking packages last year, and I'm guessing that will expand with the commitment to Greg Jones -- like when we had Leach. I'd be afraid to not have a replacement if Jones goes down. Remember there were a few FB needy teams bidding for Vonta -- Dolphins & Giants for sure.

    But other roster needs may force us to rely on one.

    We do have a rookie Zach Boren (5'11.5"/238 Ohio State) who has garnered a few mentions, too.
     
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    Alright, I'll do a quick run down:

    QB: Schaub, Yates, Keenum (3)
    RB: Arian, Tate, Grahm (3)
    WR: Dre, Hopkins, Martin, Alan Bonner, Jeff Maehl, LeStar Jean (6)
    FB: Jones, Clutts (2)
    TE: OD, Grahm, Griffin (3)
    OT: Brown, Newton, Harris, Quessenberry (4)
    OG: Brooks, Smith (2)
    C: Meyers, Ben Jones (2)

    NT: Mitchell, Muir, Chris Jones (3)
    DE: Watt, Smith, Crick, Jamison (4)
    ILB: Cushing, Sharpton, Mays, Dobbins (4)
    OLB: Reed, Merciless, Trevardo, Braman, Willie (5)
    CB: JJo, Kjax, McCain, Harris, Carmichael (5)
    FS: Reed, Swearinger (2)
    SS: Manning, Pleasant, Keo (3)

    K: Bullock
    P: Lechler
    LS: Weeks

    Brennan Williams, Sam Montgomery on IR

    Posey on PUP

    This was tough. I'm not even close to sold on what I have here. I don't know that Mont or Williams will be on IR. Posey likely goes to PUP though...

    The ILB situation is going to be interesting though. I think Behind Cushing, Sharpton, Mays or Dobbins could be cut. With Brooks Reed able to slide inside if needed and the wealth of talent at OLB (if Willie plays well) then maybe one of those guys gets chopped.

    A lot of names I have I could be easily convinced to cut them and insert someone else. I think I counted right and that's 53....

    I think there will be a surprise cut or two as well...I actually cringed when I put Keo on there...I hope Ohrian gets a chance and shines or Pleasant beats him out...Or, I hope Keo has actually gotten better...
     
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    My understanding is that to be able to be put on the PUP list at the beginning of the regular season, you have to have been on PUP from the beginning of TC. So if you've taken any snaps during TC, you're no longer PUP-able. Like you say, it's IR or on the Roster... for the regular season.

    You can, I believe, be put on a PUP list during training camp so you don't count against the 90.

    I think CnD posted the latest PUP rules... I'll have to look them up.
     
  16. MidtownMikey

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    My list and reasoning:

    Offense (24)

    QBs (3):

    Schaub, Matt
    Yates, T. J.
    Keenum, Case

    (if Case performs like I expect, don't think they risk putting him on the practice squad, especially with Green Bay picking up from the trash heap (VY) for a backup :-P )

    OL (8):

    Newton, Derrick
    Brooks, Brandon
    Myers, Chris
    Smith, Wade
    Brown, Duane

    Jones, Ben
    Quessenberry, David
    Harris, Ryan

    Williams, Brennan on IR due to knee

    I don't see them carrying a 9th OL with other roster needs, and Williams knee should give them a viable reason to IR him (players have been IR'ed for pretty goofy reasons in the past)

    RB (3):
    Foster, Arian
    Tate, Wood
    Johnson, Dennis

    They will definitely carry three backs, and if another performs well, I could even see a 4th carried in the place of a 2nd FB

    FB (2):
    Jones, Greg
    Clutts, Tyler

    Besides the potential value on return teams/coverage of having a big body like Clutts, I think with Jones age they might want an insurance policy. Clutts is by far the most "on the bubble" of any "vet" in my eyes though, and could easily be gone if they need an extra RB, extra TE, extra WR, or extra LB.

    TE (3):

    Daniels, Owen
    Graham, Garrett
    Griffin, Ryan

    Griffin is needed for 3 TE sets, and if another TE impresses, I could see them getting a spot over Clutts.

    WR (5):
    Johnson, Andre
    Hopkins, DeAndre
    Martin, KeShawn
    Bonner, Alan
    Jean, Lestar

    PUP-Posey. When Posey is off PUP, it would most likely be Jean in my mind that gets cut because of it (or Lemon if he made it in place of Jean depending on PS eligiblity afterwards).

    I think Lestar's spot may not be safe if he does not perform well in preseason. Everything I heard/saw in person of Lemon makes him look like a serious threat to Jean's roster spot. Still, if there isn't much of a gap between them, Jean might get the nod due to the bigger body/more experience with Lemon getting PS'ed.


    Overall, my offense list is the same as Porky, but I do disagree some on defense:

    Defense(26)

    DL (7):

    Watt, JJ
    Smith, Antonio
    Mitchell, Earl
    Jamison, Tim
    Crick, Jared
    McClain, Terrell
    Jones, Chris

    I think Chris with pads on has already shown what he is capable in training camp, and while Miur's strength is impressive, until the Texans actually use a NT over 320 pounds, I'm not going to count on one making the roster.

    OLB (5):
    Mercilus, Whitney
    Reed, Brooks
    Williams, Trevardo
    Jefferson, Willie
    Montgomery, Sam

    While I was a big fan of Braman, I'm not sure he gets a spot on special team ability alone. In my mind despite Montgomery being behind, I don't see him getting IR'ed unless he has another injury. If he gets IR'ed he won't be able to participate in team practices, and I think that is the last thing the Texans want. They will likely keep him off IR to ensure they can try to work him into shape/get Watt and Smith on him to prepare him to actually be deserving of his 3rd round pick status.

    ILB(5):
    Cushing, Brian
    Mays, Joe
    Sharpton, Darryl
    Dobbins, Tim
    Collins, Cameron

    I think after last year and the injury questions with all 4 linebackers (Cushing knee, Mays leg, Sharpton everything :-P and Dobbins Shoulder) they will carry a 5th ILB at the cost of a DB. Of course, if they are serious about Reed sliding to ILB in an emergency that could change but unless I see Reed getting ILB snaps again in practice or preseason I won't count on it.

    CB (5):
    Joseph, Johnathan
    Jackson, Kareem
    McCain, Brice
    Harris, Brandon
    Bouye, A.J.

    I could see another vet being brought in to replace Bouye's spot and him being PS unless he is just lights out during the preaseason. Mack obviously wasn't the answer as a vet though from what I've seen.

    Safety(4):
    Reed, Ed
    Manning, Danieal
    Swearinger, D.J.
    Keo, Shiloh

    As much as I would rather see Pleasant over Keo, I think Keo still has the support of the team especially considering the most recent depth chart. Keo also has performed decently (for being coached by Marciano) on special teams, so that may be a deciding factor in him being on the team.

    Special Teams (3):
    Bullock, Randy
    Lechler, Shane
    Weeks, Jon

    I really really wish they had a player besides Weeks who could reliably long snap but also provide depth at another position...

    Practice Squad:
    Wood, Cierre
    Boren, Zach
    Byrne, Jake
    Lemon, Alec
    Johnson, Delano
    Tuggle, Justin
    Pleasant, Eddie

    Since I have Bouye, Collins, and Jefferson making the team, I've replaced them with Johnson, Tugge, and Pleasant. If the three are practice squaded instead in favor of vets, then Johnson, Tuggle, and Boren are the 3 I expect to be cut outright. Where Chris Jones fits is a question if he gets PS'ed in place of a vet, but I don't necessarily count on them PS'ing Byrne if they feel 100% comfortable with their 3 TEs.

    And Rey, I count 54 on your list. I seriously don't see Maehl making the team though, everything I've seen from him puts him in the "JAG" (just another guy) category and I'd expect they would go with someone with a potentially higher ceiling.
     
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    And my surprise cut (to some at least) would be Roc Carmichael then. Everything I've seen out of him makes me think he is cuttable, and while they won't likely give up on Harris yet, I don't think a 4th round pick has quite the same protection.
     
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    There's a few people I don't see making the team on your list either. But I'm not going to debate that right now. I picked mahael for a reason.
     
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    Thanks for participating guys. Thoughtful stuff. It's so early in the process, it's all just a mental exercise but worth considering how the roster may play out.

    Mikey, I didn't see Roc Carmichael on your list? Oversight or do you see him being cut? If you do, I would dispute that. If anything I see Harris as a potential surprise cut. JMO.

    Edit: Mikey, we cross posted. I do now see your thoughts there. Disagree though as Roc has had a lot of positive reports. Of course, all this is mostly moot until the lights come on. You could certainly be right. Thanks for the clarification.

    I also have trouble finding room for Maehl. He's not a bad player, but nothing stands out, and we've seen him before. From all reports Lemon is catching everything in sight, and his only issue is he can't get separation. Of course, if you are catching anything thrown your way anyway, it may not be something that keeps him from playing for a long time. It does help explain how Nassib's favorite target went undrafted though.

    Having said that, I suspect Lemon makes the PS, and they give one last shot to Jean. I think it's put up or shut up time. Jean is wildly inconsistent, and that is an issue.
     
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    Been thinking about this the past few days .... Lots of battles across the roster.

    Almost started a thread similar this morning but I didn't have time to put together a detailed post - Been tending my wife who had surgery on Thursday (tonsillectomy) .... Ugh , hurry up and get better so I can go fishin woman!



    I'll have a detailed response in a day or two .... really have to evaluate each position critically .... when Im not feeding my wife jello ....
     
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