PFF.com rates & analyses the Texans first two games

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  1. Maddict5

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    This is a site i like to visit to see how each individual Texan is performing leaguewide. Basically, its just a group of hardcore fans who rate every single player in the league on each individual play. Dont get too caught up in the numbers (as imo penalties & blocked are weighted too much against skill players) etc but its good for a general idea


    Week 1 review v the Jets:

    http://profootballfocus.com/articles.php?tab=articles&arc=&id=26

    Individual Rating: Offence

    http://www.profootballfocus.com/gst...=2009&gameid=1397&teamid=13&stats=o&playerid=


    Individual Rating: Defence

    http://www.profootballfocus.com/gst...=2009&gameid=1397&teamid=13&stats=d&playerid=
     
  2. Maddict5

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    Week 2 review v the Titans:

    http://profootballfocus.com/articles.php?tab=articles&arc=&id=35

    Individual Rating Offence:

    http://www.profootballfocus.com/gst...ason=2009&wk=02&teamid=13&gameid=1414&stats=o

    Individual Rating: Defence

    http://www.profootballfocus.com/gst...=2009&gameid=1397&teamid=13&stats=d&playerid=
     
  3. 76Texan

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    Can't argue much against that!
     
  4. Maddict5

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    Overall Items of Note (imo):
    http://www.profootballfocus.com/by_...os=OLB3&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numgames=1

    Our LB'ers are playing pretty good: Diles (#5) & Cushing (#13) are both rated in the top 15 4-3 LBers

    Duane Brown is currently rated in the top 10 pass blockers (they thought he was awful last year)
    http://www.profootballfocus.com/by_...9&pos=T&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numgames=1

    Demeco is #6 MLB v the run
    http://www.profootballfocus.com/by_...9&pos=T&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numgames=1

    Kasey Studdard being our best run blocker by quite a bit in the titans game
    http://www.profootballfocus.com/gst...ason=2009&wk=02&teamid=13&gameid=1414&stats=o
     
  5. Lucky

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    What about the 1st touchdown? Where AJ brought the pass in with one hand while staying inbounds in the corner of the endzone? Or grabbing an errant Schaub pass after seemingly leaping 6 feet?

    Please. Looks like the blogger ran out of things to gripe about.
     
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    I'd have to say I agree. Johnson had two drops early, but was great for the rest of the game.

    They say Cushing is just starting to get more playing time, that he is in on nickel situations. Seems to me he is a starter in the base defense, and played the majority of the game.
     
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    im not sure exactly how it works but i think for each play, they use a +-2 rating. +2 for a great play,-2 for a horrible with 0 being the average and an above average play being +.5. so aj prob got a +2 for his first td & a 0 for his second with a -.5 for each drop. like i said, take it with a pinch of salt but its interesting nonetheless

    you're right, he played 65 snaps- tied for highest amount (im guessing all) of snap with demeco, dunta etc
     
  8. Kal

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    Hi

    I work for PFF so figured I could answer any questions. I did the player participation for both games so was able to notice some trends from spending roughly 13 hours watching the Texans first two games :p

    In regards to Cushing, in the opener he came out on nickel packages consistently (along with Ziles) and was replaced by Adibi but by game 2 had made his way onto the field for pretty much every snap.

    In regards to the comments regarding Johnson, he was graded highly for his first touchdown and had a good game with his passing but his yardage would lead to the belief he had an elite game when he didn't. Matt Schaub did, and the Titans secondary were terrible for the most part. If it looks like we're griping I obviously need to adjust my style, as the point was to point out that Johnson had a good but not spectacular game (he didn't do as much for example as Cotchery did against you guys where he forced missed tackles and didn't drop any passes)

    Johnson remains one of the top three wide receivers in the game imo

    I'll continue to say that I am more and more impressed by how little I am noticing Duane Brown, he's like a different player compared to last year.
     


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    Welcome to the board. We really appreciate your input.
     
  10. Ckw

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    What really stood out to me is over the last two games, PFF rates Amobi as one of our best defensive players. Something is wrong here. PFF guy, can you explain this?
     
  11. 76Texan

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    They have a lot to tinker with.
    For example, when a guy get a penalty, he is deducted a whole 1 point; no matter what kind of infraction it was.

    Okoye didn't commit any penalty, so that helps him with the overall score.
     
  12. Ckw

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    That is just incredible to me. Okoye has not looked good to me. He looked ok in the Titans game. It certainly didn't seem like he was one of our better defensive players. At least I was right about Dunta; he has played horribly the last two games. I could just see it and sure enough, he is rated towards the bottom for both of our games.
     
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    Another thing is I don't know how a dropped pass is rated.
    Let's say if a receiver drops a short 3-yd pass, is he deducted the same points as if he drops a sure-fire long TD pass?

    And does it matter if the receiver drops a short 5-yd pass on 1-10, then catches a 58yd TD pass on 2-10 (the very next play).
     
  14. Kal

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    Thank you very much, I'll do my best to keep up with the board and not just offer a PFF perspective ... I'm quite enjoying watching the Texans

    I'll preface this by saying that I don't do the analysis (grading). From spending so much time watching it I didn't see Okoye do anything particularly bad, but he didn't stand out. 4 pressures isn't overly bad and he isn't getting pushed around in the run game. We have Cody graded higher, but he's only amongst the top end of defensive tackles for you guys because the rest have under performed. It's hard to judge total impact after 2 games so we'll see how Okoye grades out over the season ... but judging from his start to this year and his performance last year I'd expect him to be a force pressuring the QB (though he doesn't seem to translate this into sacks) and a bit ineffective in the running game.

    It's something we often debate in terms of how to weight penalties. There needs to be consistency because a penalty is a negative play (even a good penalty like a pass interference to stop a touchdown is a negative play because you got yourself into position to give up a TD). We don't grade deliberate penalties like delays of games which are obvious to wind the clock down so there is some subjectivity if you get my meaning.
     
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    They are just numbers, and numbers usually don't tell the true story.
     
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    There are times a pass is thrown and there's nothing a DB can do about it.
    So if the receiver catches it for a TD, does the DB got point deducted?
    And how much?

    And in that instance, if he grabs the receiver to save a TD, does he still get deducted points for committing a penalty?
     
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    I'll have to check on the last point ... but you're right sometimes a corner can have pretty close to perfect coverage and there's nothing that can be done so (and I'll double check to be sure) he won't get marked down.

    He may even get a positive mark for having good coverage, but I'll have to check that.
     
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    I like to think numbers play a part in telling the story :)

    But for a site like ours, we analyse players, so we rate their performances rather than games (we just use games to rate players). We can't measure intangible things like how players react to adveristy and what not, but what we can do is break down every play and apply a consistent grading to how players perform to look at (over the course of a season) just who are the players playing the best football (not necessarily the best players, as thats something subjective and takes into account opposition, degree of injury etc)
     
  19. 76Texan

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    Another question!

    Let's take AJ's second TD reception.

    He got inside position on the receiver.
    It's highly likely that when he turns on the jet, the DB wouldn't be able to catch to to him.
    And if the DB is just a tad late, he might have to commit interference to prevent the TD.
    And he might not even able to do that.
    So why doesn't AJ get any point? Or did he?
     
  20. Kal

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    I'll find that out for you ... I don't have access to the ratings, but he wouldn't get graded highly for it ... he may get a 0.5+ for his route but that play (and I'm going off memory so I'll rewatch it myself) was more down to a horrendous bite on the play action by Griffin when he was the deep safety and should have been in position to negate the big play

    I'd imagine Johnson got a positive for the route running though but I'll ask the analyst to be sure.

    Thanks for the feedback and keep holding us accountable to things you don't agree with ... our aim is to be as close to perfect as possible, but its an imperfect science so we'll keep on trucking :)
     

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