Per Herring: Cushing at inside LB

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  1. ArlingtonTexan

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    Very interesting. We desperately need help at OLB if this is the case.
     
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    Von Miller and Barwin OLBs?
     
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    yep demeco more or less said the same thing last week.. theyve obviously been told about it. im good with it. a crew of barwin, demeco, cush & von miller/robert quinn/aldon smith/akeem ayers etc would be a nice set of LB'ers
     
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    Von ain't gonna be there at 11.
     
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    To me Cushing is very much a niche player, and his specialty is clearly as a 4-3 SAM, and in addition using the 15th overall pick on a 3-4 ILB is a waste of resources though of course that wasn't origionally the Texans intentions for Cushing.
     
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    Had we known we would be in a 3-4 in Cushing's 3rd season methinks the staff would've taken Clay...

    But Cushing will be a heck of a player for us regardless of where he plays because he will have a huge chip on his shoulder coming off the suspension and sophomore slump that followed his stellar rookie season.
     
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    They need to realize, it's this year or bust. Go for broke and trade up to get Miller. Can't imagine any FA OLB or draft pick that would have the skills to match Miller's/ Clay Mathews Jr. style.
     


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    It will likely mean trading up to #4 at least. If they do that, I hope you are right about his ability. I am not so sure he is a top 5 player.
     
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    Seems to be the only wise move. Just to be in correct position for plays and being "adjusted," Cushing needs to be a hand's reach from Demeco at all times. His "free lancing" decision making last year didn't exactly demonstrate very consistent good judgement.
     
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    I guess this is where I second guess the decision. One, Cushing is better moving upfield and attacking rather than waiting and reacting. Two, the Texans have only Barwin (who has never played LB before) ready to play on the outside. Three, it's easier to find a 3-4 ILB than a 3-4 OLB in the draft or free agency. I just don't see how Phillips can look at Cushing's film and think he's a better fit inside than outside.
     
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    That is what I was thinking as far as Cushings role on the team..

    The only thing I can really think of though is the fact that Cushing is so big and he's pretty athletic for his size...

    I can see him playing the strong ILB and essentially being the "stand up DT". Taking on the blocks and clogging the lanes and letting Demeco be the clean-up man...

    He'd also command attention on the inside on blitzing situations...It wouldn't allow teams to just focus on the outside rush...
     
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    We disagree. Using our #11 in 2007 on a 3-4 ILB was not a waste of our resources. If anything, it may have been the only good pick we made in the last 5 years.

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    This!
    Still to have a good 3/4 you have to have quality LB's. Im hoping/praying we can trade down just a little and come out of this draft with Justin Houston (6-3, 260 4.65 Georgia) in the first and Martez Wilson (6-3, 260 4.60 Illinois) in the second. Both these guys along with Cushing should be interchangeable inside or out. That kind of versatility could be a real key to an 18 game season. It also adds alot of speed and toughness. (Im just not sold as many of you are on Barwin being able to step right in and make the transition especially after that horrific injury and all the time off he's had because of it.)

    Then find a way to get a couple of these guys
    Phil Taylor 6-3.5, 337 5.25 Baylor
    Stephen Paea 6-1, 295 4.95 Oregon State
    Marvin Austin 6-2, 312 5.00 North Carolina
    Kenrick Ellis 6-4, 340 5.05 Hampton
    Jarvis Jenkins 6-4, 310 5.00 Clemson
    Jerrell Powe 6-2, 320 5.15 Mississippi
    Sione Fua 6-1.5, 310 5.15 Stanford (NT)
    Ian Williams 6-1, 310 5.15 Notre Dame

    and were starting to look like a real 3/4. of course this means we have to go hard and heavy after secondary players in FA.

    But alas this is the Texans we are talking about so you you they are going to throw us a curveball and draft Jimmy Smith CB Colorado in the first. I think he's going to be a good player but we'll reach for him to early. :kubepalm:
     
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    You are working pretty well my friend:bravo:

    Herrring and I quote

    “Well, I think the first rule of thumb is don’t get locked into a thought and put yourself in a position where you say, ‘This is the only place they can play.’ We have to have flexibility, and initially until we work out the kinks and find the proper places for everybody, where they can be the most productive for this team, we’re probably going to take a look at Brian inside at the Mike ‘backer position, strongside on the tight end, and then DeMeco will be the weakside Mo inside ‘backer. (They’ll be) the Mike and the Mo, two inside guys. We’ve got to take advantage of what we see in Brian Cushing as a tremendous anchor on the tight end side as far as securing the box physically in the run game, and then using him in our package to pressure and blitz him on the inside. At Dallas, Bradie James, same position, led the NFL in inside linebackers in sacks. He had eight in one year in this package from blitzing inside. So the numbers are there, the opportunities will be there.
     
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    The heart of the 3-4 is the backers on the outside because unlike in the 4-3 they are the primary edge-rushers and the Texans are so screwed at that position right now because the only guy who really looks like a fit is Barwin and he has (1) only played defensive football 2 years, and just one of those in the NFL and he's only played DE in the 4-3, so he has no 3-4 experience (2) he's coming off of a very serious season-ending injury from 2010 and nobody really knows when he'll be ready to go ?
     
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    This tells me that last year wasn't a slump for Cush and the reality is Cush rookie season was performance enhanced. He was no where near the player he was in his rookie year. RB's were dropping him like crazy on pass rushes and he couldn't take on the takle. The strength of the 3-4 is the outside LB and the fact they are putting him inside instead tells me a lot.
     
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    to me this has bad news written all over it

    we should ditch some of these 4-3 guyz and get some 3-4 players

    yeah some of the guyz we get will not have the Name value but they will be blue chippers
     
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    I think they plan on using Cushing as an attacking player. It sounds like he will be bumping tight ends and occupying lineman in the majority of running situations. Then Herring said that they will use him to blitz from the inside on pressure packages.

    That seems like Cushing's best fit IMO. We don't have anyone else on the team that can be an imposing strong side backer like Cushing. Besides isn't that what he was drafted to be, regardless of it is in a 3-4 or 4-3?

    Good news is highlighted in this thread. Assuming DeMeco recovers fully from his injury, we have two good inside linebackers to start with.

    Bad news is that your right we have nobody to play OLB. Notice they mention Jesse Nading. Lol @ that. Jesse Nading? That guy is first on my list to get cut. I'm surprised they didn't mention Mark Anderson as an asset in pressure packages, considering he is all that we have outside of Barwin at that position.

    We are going to need to add atleast 3 guys to play OLB. It would be ideal to get one early in the draft and then sign the best available FA. I don't think we will be able to get Miller and it would be unwise to trade up for him considering where our pick falls in the draft. I think there is a real possibility for a trade down scenario this year, and a guy like Dareus, Quinn, or even Miller could fall. Crazier things have happened.
     
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    Barwin's injury came so early in the season that the odds of a full rehab by now are high. He's also a naturally versatile player who develops fast. We lost a major weapon for 2010 when he went down.


    Cushing was drug tested throughout his rookie season and progressively improved game after game.

    In 2010, he had the most tackles per game of the front seven. The entire defense just sucked in general.

    Placing Cushing at ILB tells me they're looking for someone faster on the outside. Cushing's job will mostly remain the same: Eat up the TE.

    I think our first pick will be Akeem Ayers at OLB.
     
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